Can Black Lives Matter & Law Enforcement See Eye To Eye?

Can Black Lives Matter & Law Enforcement See Eye To Eye?

The phrase all lives matter was derived from black lives matter to subvert black lives matter and I won’t come here and sit down and say That that’s okay Can I have my law enforcement go to the left pool of light Can I have my black lives matter supporters go to the right pool of light I regularly fear for my life You know, I’m an armed patrol officer so I do Respond to burglar alarms. So if someone breaks into someone’s house, have a gun I would have to respond to that certain situation. So I do fear for my life in a way I guess you can say
-I do something that, I think every black man, every black person in this country, many people of color have been trained to do and That’s when a law enforcement officer gets behind me and I’m driving, I’m making sure I’m signaling. I’m checking my speed I’m thinking of all the different legitimate ways that you could stop me and in that moment I recognized and I realized that I’m not a scholar, with a bachelor’s in political science a bachelor’s in sociology a master’s in public policy.
In that moment, I’m just another black man to that officer, and that scares me. I maybe could have stepped forward I feel scared for my life when I’m at work often when you get pulled over and all the thoughts and things that are going through your mind or where when I pull a car over I’m thinking about where I’m at on the highway, how I’m gonna pull this vehicle over, Did I run the plate? Did it come back to that vehicle?
Am I buckled in? Am I not buckled in? because most officers are shot and killed during traffic stops And as I approach I put my hand on that car to leave my handprint because if I’m shot and killed that person is further Incriminated by the evidence of my prints being on their car But I don’t feel afraid for my life as a citizen but at work I definitely do and that’s a choice I made I choose not to live in fear If the question was do I feel less safe now than I did five years ago I would say yes, and I think that that’s because we have rampant social chaos That’s expanding and I think that that’s playing a large role in a lot of the trends that we’re seeing – What do you mean by social chaos? Um, out of wedlock birth rates Statistically, you know that sets a child back five times more likely to be poor and nine times more likely to drop out of school And 20 times more likely to end up in prison.
-I mean the chaos that I’m seeing more recently is white men walking into schools with ar-15s and slaughtering people yeah, and that is what you’re seeing and what you’re not seeing is the dozens of homicides that occur in Chicago on a daily basis and that speaks to Certainly a media that’s desirous to push an agenda and a narrative. That factually doesn’t bear out.
There is a massive disparity between black crime and white crime at large and obviously that’s going to lead to accelerated interactions with law enforcement.
-Or is it the criminalization of black people?
when you have more police officers patrolling a concentrated area then of course, you have more stops You have more you know situations where police officers say Oh, they didnt signal and then when I pulled them over
I pulled all occupants out of the car I searched the car I found this gun allegedly buried somewhere and all of a sudden now you have a crime. As a public defender The reputation is that you know, I’m going to lose most of my cases. I have won far more cases than I have lost My name is Alisa Blair. I am African American I’m also a criminal defense attorney. As a public defender I’ve seen the mistreatment of my clients I see the disproportionate incarceration of black and brown people and I see the excessive force used in arrests Police should be given more resources. I think police should definitely be given more resources so that they have other options besides killing people.
Officers should have the resources available to them to handle a situation without casualties on either side. Yeah, I mean as an officer I appreciate hearing that from a member of the public and from a public defender and can speak to it for myself and my department and what I’ve seen in other departments in the area and know that we need more resources and different types of training communication techniques to de-escalate situations and different types of least force option techniques but as a small woman, I also want to be able to physically protect myself and it’s It’s a hard balance The largest expense for almost every municipality and county is Public Safety There’s plenty of money But we don’t have is enough implicit bias training the things that we carry about ourselves that define how we interpret who we’re interacting with. We don’t have enough contextualizing of the communities that you’re serving draw officers from the communities from which they serve. That way when they go back and their policing their own community that’s deeper than just the race of the officers So you think that black police officers need to be trained to be more sensitive to the black community?
Is that what you’re saying? No. I think black officers that are policing black community should come from those communities.
And I think a white officer who comes from that community might even be more effective than a black officer from somewhere else.
-I agree And I think I think that that’s a great point which is that an officer, a white officer, a black officer, a female officer, a hispanic officer, could be just as good as any other or better and that’s because there are things other than skin color and I think that what’s so concerning about this dialogue is that it is pushing us further back into black communities, white communities when really I thought that the goal of Martin Luther King was that we’re gonna be moving to a society where we were being judged by the content of our character if we keep moving further into identifying based on our groups I think that we’re doing a disservice to his message, which I think was very powerful and that united the country in many ways – But not at the time in Martin Luther King’s time White folks hated him, it causes me to bristle and have an emotional reaction whenever somebody says You know black people are killing folks 50% in violent crimes and then says Martin Luther King united the country Martin Luther King would be down for Black Lives Matter The next statement is I believe that all lives matter It’s a little bit surprising below all of this stuff below skin deeper than all this there is a Intrinsic god-given life that’s put inside of all of us I think that it’s concerning that any movement would reject the fundamental premise of that, while preaching for equality – Exactly. At that point, you’re really not an equality movement if you’re really only interested in speaking to your specific group I truly believe and I agree with everything that you say. Everyone deserves life and I believe that you know life is a gift Plain and simple all life counts -Yeah all life matters, all life deserves a chance – Yeah, I think that especially in this platform but also in the world in the country that we live in today stating that all lives matter takes away from the inequality that’s happening in the world.
Of course all lives matter. – It negates the fact that something has to be addressed and if you don’t address it, and you don’t recognize that there is a problem that has to be changed then you never fucking change it. But that’s not our intention. Our intention was just an answer a simple question, but it’s not (Talking over each other) – The question is framed as do all lives matter, if you ask me if all lives have intrinsic value, If all lives are valuable, if all lives are worthy I would have said “hell yes” and would have been the first one in my chair. All lives matter is a specific phrase similar to Blue Lives Matter and anything else that mattered after black lives were exclaimed to have mattered to detract, to appropriate, to subvert the message and the framing and the narrative that’s being brought to us by the Black Lives Matter Movement So I don’t think anybody here in this room thinks that any life is less worthy than another’s. But the phrase all lives matter was derived from Black Lives Matter, to subvert Black Lives Matter and I won’t come here and sit down and say that that’s okay. – I mean, I feel like we’re just kind of going into the weeds here.The question wasn’t if black lives matter It was a simple question. Do you believe that all lives matter?- You don’t think that’s an interesting phrase? Is that a phrase you use quite frequently before? – I think not really. I think that you can attach whatever you want right now. That’s a thing I try and step back from you know Whatever sort of identity political stuff we have going on and I try and deal with things head-on Based on reality when someone says to me, do you think all lives matter? I answer unequivocably “yes”, every time the same way if you ask me is black lives matter or female lives matter I will answer the same way. – Do black lives matter.? – Yes. They do. I had conflicting feelings about coming here today. -For me I was conflicted because I don’t feel like I should speak for black oppression, but as a white woman I think that I can be of value to other white people who may not understand I’m Sandra Cruse Well, I’m from the 60s and I went to jail a lot for fighting for women’s rights and as a human being I think it’s important that I speak out and speak up for injustices – I’m feeling conflicted now as Someone who steps into the law enforcement side as if we are on opposite sides I am a law enforcement officer and a Black Lives Matter supporter. I find myself searching for what to do and how to make a difference and I’ve had moments of thinking about leaving the force I finally had a realization that this gives me an opportunity to have a different angle as a white woman and also as a police officer to potentially make a difference.
Even if it’s just with changing myself. – I didn’t hesitate. I’ve been a civilian my entire life and I consider it an honor to have an opportunity to provide voice for law enforcement and the men and women that serve our communities I think it’s fundamentally important for society to respect law enforcement men and women that serve our communities with tremendous honor and distinction end up getting a bad wrap and I think that that’s very harmful. I think that it is important, I think it’s imperative to speak whenever you have an opportunity to and I think that all of us in whatever movements we’re part of or whatever belief systems were part of should use our gifts. – You know de-escalation training is sitting in a room like this with a PowerPoint and walking officers through scenarios and nothing, Nothing in a scenario is ever going to be like the real world. In defense of officers like only those of us that walk in the shoes of having a badge and a gun and being in these high-stress situations can really articulate what it’s like to make these split-second decisions. With our training officers need to be in these types of discussions owning their shit and being like I did this wrong and I have this prejudice
and how can I sit with people who can teach me and change me? – This is what I think is sort of dangerous about a conversation like this Is that really the only thing that I want law enforcement being trained on is the law Okay there’s nebulous conversation about thinking about how I think about things and — – some of us in law enforcement think of ourselves as social workers with a gun – and that’s concerning because your job is to enforce the law.
– As someone in the field who wants more de-escalation training It’s not because I don’t believe in a lot of the laws that I enforce and it is my job to enforce the law I’m not a law warning officer. That’s not what I signed up to do, but we are given the discretion to make choices and that’s why we need more training because we’re human beings just in my perspective and I appreciate your support of law enforcement and your perspective – Yeah, and I appreciate your perspective as well as your your real service that you’ve done So and I don’t want our disagreement…
Certainly don’t take away from my respect and admiration for your service.
-Thank you for your support. – I think we all respect the service of everyone who works to the service of others.
I don’t think anybody in this room is against individual officers.
The conversation is to take a step back and recognize that this institution is a relic of anglo policing from european culture, but also slave catching and deep-rooted racism in American policy and we need to take that step back and recenter this conversation on the fact that it’s bigger than just an officer. – I think part of the problem is that we’re still so segregated. Where do we go to have these conversations? Where do we go to learn from each other to break down the stereotypes? It’s systemic and I am so thrilled that there’s a Black Lives Matter Movement.
It’s really exciting. – Guys thank you so much. I know this hasn’t been an easy one, but I appreciate your time Feel free to continue the discussion if you’d like outside It’s a pleasure I really appreciate you speaking your truth and hearing mine as well. I really appreciate all of you guys. Okay, real pleasure. -Likeways, yes, thank you. Hey guys, I’m Jason and I’m Dan and we just want say thank you once again for watching another episode of middle ground As always, let us know in the comments what you think we want to get into these issues We want to be able to heal divides We want to be able to cross boundaries and also let us know what you think Future episodes should be about.
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  1. Martin Luther king would not be down for black lives matter sweetheart. Just like feminism it’s gone too far now and caused more harm and more of a divide.

  2. the terms black or white are nothing more than social blanket constructs designed to keep people lost ,confused ,and hating one another . they aren't even real skin colors much less representing real bloodlines, or tribes . this is why the world laughs at us here in the u.s.. trying to have a sub identity is what socially ruined america. when I talked to a russian regardless of tone of skin they say i'm russian , when i talked to an english they're english , when i talked to someone from nigeria they say i'm nigerian . when i talk to an American they say i'm black or white SMH.

  3. "I believe that all lives matter" They didn't step forward because they believe in abortion. But all lives do not matter. The lives of rapist and murderers don't matter. They need to hang from a rope.

  4. A black guy I work with told me that when he got interviewed he had to wear a suit and tie, speak clearly, respectfully, and had to answer questions very politely.. He said he only to do this because he was black.. I'm white and had to do the same exact thing every job interview I've ever had.

  5. I think movements like that just tear us apart if you close your eyes and talk to someone of a different race you wouldn’t even know till you open your eyes

  6. I don’t think that these black lives matter people ever experienced walking through bad neighborhoods in Queens or Brooklyn the way they talk about black people is like they are victims when they make each other and most people they come into contact with a victim I live in Queens I’m 15 and I go to a high school where it stinks of weed and people snatch my chain in fast food stores mind u I’m brown and 6’3 I’ve met some innocent black kids but in the end all lives matter and so does a cop’s life

  7. I highly disagree that Martin Luther King would be down with black lives matter because black lives matter has stood up for kids with guns in the car and police chases pulling out that gun on a police officer and then getting shot that is the type of stuff that black lives matter sticks up for which is wrong the character of that kid that pulls out a gun on a cop after police chase is poor so again Martin Luther King would not be down with the black lives matter he would have his own movement if anyone would be done with black lives matter it be Malcolm X cuz he believed in force

  8. Tbh I feel a lot of hate from black folk I live in the hood and they just treat me and other white people like we are all racist

  9. Bro when a cop is behind anybody that’s how everyone is! Making sure you go the speed limit and use all traffic laws! That’s not only black people who do that

  10. Why does everyone always talk about Chicago? Chicago is not that bad compared to other cities in the country. People made it seem worse than it is.

  11. Most police oath’s state that the officer will protect the constitution, protect & serve the people through integrity in accordance to the law. Not solely be a policy enforcer. Basically this cishetero white male in the white shirt is saying I do NOT want well-rounded officers, nor training to deal with the spectrum of situations that could arise when on duty. His white fragility is kicking into high gear and I can see his struggle with separating himself from his badge and his privilege.

    On the other note, great job to the organizers of this dialogue, as including diverse speakers create that didactic learning environment

  12. I agree with the beginning. If there wasn't that history with the phrase,if that phrase wasn't said at that time with that meaning, then I could agree with it, but it wasn't.

    9:13 Dude doesn't know his history

    Also –5:35 Yes. Unless there is literally no people in the area, yes try to draw officers from areas they serve.

  13. (6:17, etc)

    Jeez the white officer is so aggressive 🤧

    9:31 if you wanna deal with reality you gotta be in reality, present and least recent past

  14. That white dude is so uninformed. Due to the title of the video I thought he was law enforcement at first but now obviously he's not.

  15. Well, police officers aren't the ones raiding innocent people's stores and destroying their property for no reason. So i'll stay on the cops side.

  16. That all lives matter question was abundantly clear and forced. You really have to be a moron to try and question the other people’s morals and assume they actually meant that some lives mattered more than others. I get that it was a simple ‘answer the question’ and that the question was “do all lives matter” but it was evident that the phrase all lives matter was tactically placed in the statement when anyone who doesn’t live under a rock knows it’s origin was formed to detract from BLM. I really dislike that white police supporter for his arrogance.

  17. Imagine a neighbourhood of Houses, One house is on fire.

    Fire trucks come to the neighbourhood and decide that ALL the houses need water not just the one on fire. Okay, all houses need water sure, but one specific house is on fire right now therefore it deserves the attention and resources to put out the flames. Weird example but I view that concept the same way as i view the All Lives Matter movement. There is both Truth and Ignorance being demonstrated,,, OF COURSE all lives matter, without a DOUBT. Every life regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc matters, and all lives are valid, all struggles are valid. But we cannot deny that people of colour are clearly targets of discrimination, hate crime, and mistreatment. Yes all lives matter but Black lives are continuously seen as unimportant. Innocent black people are killed very often, the only explanation is ‘they looked dangerous’ ??? you never seem to hear about all the missing black people on the news, only their bodies found much later. Everybody’s life matters is a powerful statement, but as of right now the world portrays that ‘All lives matter EXCEPT for black people who are a threat to society!’ We can use a statement like All Lives Matter when everybody of every race is being treated fairly, and we all damn well know that’s not what’s going on right now. it’s so ignorant and honestly distasteful a movement comes about trying to say Hey Black lives matter too, only to be thrown with YEAH NO ALL LIVES MATTER. like chill victoria we know that but if specific lives are not receiving the same treatment as others can that statement even be used¿

  18. Trying to change black lives matter to all lives matter is so disrespectful. It’s like changing the feminist movement and saying we should have an “all gender” movement to combat it. Ur just taking away from the issue at hand. Just like the feminist movement, black lives matter ISNT an agenda to take over America and become superior to other races, it’s for equality for all, but for that to happen we need to start somewhere and recognize the inequality that African-Americans face, hence the name black lives matter.

  19. The longer that white male officer talks the more douchebaggy he sounds. I love the female officer though. She seems as though she posses a large heart. "Social workers with guns" a little scary but is better than the murder squad police currently are.

  20. Daryl the white shirt guy sounds WAY more intelligent here then he did in the rich and poor video. Him and the guy with the hat where the smartest people in the video

  21. Okay so I would like to point out that over half of black people in America feel as if cops are after them. But they arent but regardless black people will always think that white people are bad as of nearly 300 years ago black people were owned by whites. Let me tell you suck it up butter cup we arent the same people and if we were nothing wouldve changed

  22. Great panel!!! The bald guy and the older white lady did it for me. They have a clear understanding of whats going on. 13:40 i was waiting for someone to remind everyone what law enforcement is really about 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  23. I believe all lifes matter !!! Some don't believe 😔😔
    Some people convert ALL = SOME
    when someone say ALL LIFE MATTER. it literally means all lifes , but your dumbass think that all live means , some lifes ,
    All life matter and no one is excluded , but your mentally telling u , no wait they say all life matter ! That means I'm excluded because I'm not white , no u not excluded you excluded your self because u dumbass !!
    There is no such thing like , white live matter , black live matter , Asian live matter , there is only all live matter , just ask GOD !!!

  24. That small frame white woman is probably the best cop in the country. One thing that everyone should have more of is empathy

  25. Everyone matters black, white, police all matter. But heres what i dont get, example in the army if i break the law hurt someone , steal, driving under the influence i would be subject 2 both the regular law then the military law held 2 both standards, police that break the law should also be held accountable.

  26. "i only want officers to be trained on the law" …..
    Then what about race and oppression, culture, religion, womens rights, dealing with children who have been sexually assaulted, mental health or suicide, disability, terrorism, domestic violence and so on. Being a police officer does not come from a manual it is way beyond that.

  27. 5:55 yo, Thai dude is hilarious. He is literally the voice of the monolith. He’s like “I’m not racist, I can bring up MLK”. Tool!

  28. The white officer obviously live in the same bubble of white entitlement most white people live in. I would never want to be stopped by him.

  29. I think we’re all on Black Lives Matter.

    At least I am. Like if you are, comment about if you wanna debate this w/ me.

  30. The White gut Daryle talks about the killings in Chicago, but I think another thing that’s discounted is black people were seen as second class citizens well into the 70s lingering into the 80s.
    They were kept from educational opportunity, adequate housing and other privileges non minorities face. what then happens is they are set back further and further falling into lower socioeconomic economic settings. Then you start equating and blurring the lines between black and poor.

    I didn’t grow up in a lower socioeconomic economic situation. I grew up in an all white neighborhood and still seen as implicitly dangerous or a criminal because of my skin.

  31. If anyone believes only one race of people matters, that is racism. The phrase All Lives Matter actually came around way before BLM. Look at the 60s-70s.

  32. I think 1000000% officers need to come from the communities they patrol in. A random white guy from a family of cops should NOT be patrolling the streets of terrible neighborhoods that they’ve been in.

  33. Daryl is the white guy that Malcolm X warned the black community about. Daryl talks like a textbook politician. He's saying all the right things that can cover up his true colors. He slipped a little tho when he remarked the female officer's goal of getting better training and less prejudice in law enforcement, he said that's "dangerous". Not only that, dude doesn't know about MLK to bring him up like that. MLK would stand for BLM, Daryl just wants the black community to just stay quiet and be docile.

  34. the problem with BLM is that it started as a legit, reasonable, understandable movement and message that consistent discrimination against blacks need to be stopped, but now it has basically evolved into black supremacy full of hate, racism, and revenge. it started off on the right track and was quickly taken too far into the wrong direction.

  35. Ppl don’t do their research
    Look into the history of Law Enforcement especially post civil war
    Literally FUCK THE POLICE

  36. White lives do NOT matter. White lives destroy other people’s lives. White lives create laws to oppress and destroy people of other races and countries. White lives have lived off and BENEFIT FROM the atrocities of the past and always ask minorities to get over it. Whites are always about inequality both Men and Women.

  37. Black lives matter was started by white people so therefore your whole movement is flawed from the start. If you think that one life is more important than another you need to work on some things. Why can't people understand that since police have been wearing body cams all of this so called racist and gender discrimination is false

  38. At the end the female officer said “I appreciate your support” mannn she was like shut the fuck up you don’t know what we need.

  39. The fact people seem to miss is that cops are only sent to where the problems are. They wouldn't he their otherwise. Most cops dont want to be where they arent wanted but unfortunately they have to go there because these communities cant sort their own problems out.

  40. "when i see a patrol officer behind me i check my speed and make sure to use my signals etc"
    well yeah, im a white european guy in his 20's. If i see a patrol car behind me of course im gonna be extra aware im doing everything right. thats not institutionalized racism, thats common sense.

  41. The reason why there is so much segregation is BECAUSE of groups like black lives matters and other race baiting sjw groups.

  42. The dude in the white is definitely smart and for sure upholds the law. The problem is that he only sees a straight line everyone is the same in his eyes. The problem is thats not true and if you stop someone who has kids and cannot afford a ticket for no insurance on their vehicle. They will be ruined. There’re times to issue and not issue problems for people that they cannot handle. Empathy

    The number one thing that will scare an officer and increases the chance of you getting shot is not the color of your skin. It’s your background and the community that you live in

    I’m not saying that all officers are not racist because that just isn’t the case and I feel like they joined because of black on black crime statistics which is a community sensitive matter. Seeing someone of color and basing what they might do off of that statistic is disgusting.

    The number one problem for everyone is not cops the problem in the justice system

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