Catholics and Political Parties

Catholics and Political Parties


Patrick in Temecula, California, listening
on 1000 AM. Patrick, you’re on with Tim Staples. Thank you. What’s your question, Patrick? Well, it seems to me that most people–most
Catholics identify with the Republican party. The quandary that I have is, I see “Thou shalt
not kill” as…I’m having a hard time articulating this, but I can see how people would identify
the Democratic party with abortion, and the Republican party with repealing it. I see the Republican party as dragging us
into war, and I’m having a hard time picking a side. Right. That’s a great point, Patrick. First of all, you know, we have what we call
at Catholic Answers the Voters Guide For Serious Catholics, you might want to check that out. We put it out in 2004, and has, oh my goodness,
it’s sold millions of copies. Which is, that’s quite a feat in Catholic
circles. You know, in the world, ehhh, big deal, but
Catholic circles, when you sell millions of anything, that’s amazing. But in our Voters Guide For Serious Catholics,
one of the points that we make there is, really, the Catholic Church is not Republican or Democrat. In fact, we call both Democrats and Republicans
to repent. All right? And we challenge our people in our Voters
Guide to vote in accordance with the ISSUES, cause imagine, Patrick, imagine if you have–if
you have folks who are saying, “Okay, I’m gonna vote Republican because I’m Catholic,”
well, what happens if you have a Republican candidate who is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual
marriage, running against a Democrat who is pro-life and for marriage? For traditional marriage? I mean, are you gonna vote Republican? Of course not. So that’s point number one. But point number two: you make a very important
point here. You know, what about war and such? Now, we could debate, you know, who has led
us into more wars, you know, in fact I argued in this last election that we had a Democratic
candidate who never saw a war she didn’t like. And we had quite a few Republican candidates
as well who never saw a war they didn’t like. I find it somewhat refreshing that President
Donald Trump has at least said, “Let’s not do this nation-building and, you know, going
to war with everybody,” I mean, my goodness, we’ve got guys like John McCain who, I think
if he had his way, we’d be fighting wars all over the place. So, but, you know, we can debate those issues,
right, who is really more the warmonger? But I think the most important thing, Patrick,
to consider, is that there is an essential difference between war and abortion, in this
sense. Now if we’re talking about an unjust war,
alright, that’s…that’s a different animal. But war per se, wars can either be just or
unjust. And we can debate as Catholics–let’s take
the Iraq war, for example. There were Catholics in good standing that
were on both sides of the issue there; many who said, “That’s an unjust war,” and some
who said, “It’s a just war.” You are not barred from Communion for holding
either position. Catholics can legitimately disagree when it
comes to that. However, when it comes to abortion, my friend,
we’re talking about something that is objectively, intrinsically immoral; there are no exceptions
whatsoever. We’ve slaughtered, as I mentioned before,
well over 50 million innocent babies. So I don’t believe you can put these two–we’re–these
two are not on the same level. Abortion is the most grave evil of our time,
and we need to consider it as such. And this is why, Patrick, by the way, in our
Voters Guide For Serious Catholics, we talk about abortion, euthanasia–which has spread
all over this country in just the last 12 years. The amount of euthanasia in our country has
been–it’s gone through the roof. Astonishing. And the line of demarcation, I believe, was
the Terri Schiavo case, where we had, basically, this poor woman was euthanized basically on
television. They took the cameras out for the last couple
of weeks, because of course they don’t want to show the grim end to this woman’s life,
but the bottom line is…whereas, 20, 30, let’s say 30 years ago, we were called extremists
if we said, “Hey, abortion’s gonna lead to euthanasia.” My friends, it has, and now we have physician-assisted
suicide, and we go down the list there in our Voters Guide, we talk about embryonic
stem cell research, human cloning, which is now being experimented on all over–government
doesn’t pay for it but it’s fully legal, it’s being experimented with all across the United
States, and a lot of folks don’t even realize it. And now, homosexual so-called “marriage.” We have these matters that are intrinsically
evil that we as Catholics have a duty–in fact, the Congregation for the Doctrine of
Faith, I’m trying to remember the year, it put out a document on certain proposals to
legalize same-sex unions. And notice, it didn’t use the word “marriage,”
it said “union.” I believe that’s 2004, as I recall. And it said that we, as Catholics, have a
duty to oppose the legalization of homosexual unions of any sort mimicking marriage. It doesn’t have to be marriage, but any sort
mimicking. These are deal-breakers for Catholics, whereas
when it comes to war, we can have a real debate as to what is just and what is unjust. So we’re not trying to be overly simplistic
in our Voters Guide, we recognize you can have particular situations, let’s say if you’re
living in Nazi Germany and you’re living under a government that you know is slaughtering
Jews, is starting unjust wars all across the country, where you have a situation where
that is more grave than the abortions going on. Of course that’s a possibility. But we’re laying out objective truths here,
Patrick. We have too look at our situation, look at
the objective truth, and then we can apply the subjective situation. But if we don’t understand that there’s a
difference between, you know, killing an innocent human being and killing someone who unjustly
is attacking our nation or attack–look, I’m a father of seven children. Somebody comes into my house and wants to
kill my wife and children, guess what? They’re gonna have to come through me. And I’m packin’, my friends, just so you know. If you come in my house–in fact, I sleep
with my 9mm right under my pillow every night. Normally I have my hand on it, so don’t come
in my house. I’m gonna defend my family, even up to and
including, as the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, delivering the lethal blow, IF
it is NECESSARY. But you can never, in any circumstance, slaughter
innocent human beings. So Patrick, you can see why Catholics are
so up in arms over abortion, whereas when it comes to something like the Iraq war, I
know lots of Catholic friends who are strongly opposed to the Iraq war. Bishops, priests, and so forth. But there is not the same level there as there
is when it comes to abortion, because we’re talking about–something like abortion. I mean–just–Cy, I think sometimes, and Patrick,
we miss this. We’re talking about over 50 million babies
that have been slaughtered, and now we’re right at almost a million a year that continue
to be killed, and then we’re talking about the wars total in Iraq and Afghanistan for
all the years we’ve been there, what, 12 years or whatever it is now…we’ve lost something
like 2500, I believe, men and women who have fallen. I mean, that’s a huge number, but to put things
in perspective: you know, we’re talking about fighting–these are combatants that are fighting,
and so forth, and we’re talking 2500; we lost almost 500,000 in four years in World War
II. We lost right about 50,000 in ten years in
Vietnam. And here, in Iraq and Afghanistan–now, we’re
talking about losses on our side, of course there are losses on the other side, but we
have to put these things in perspective. I think at times, as the great Bishop of Rockford,
Illinois said years ago, Bishop Doran, I remember he said, “Anyone who can vote for a pro-abortion
candidate when you have a viable pro-life candidate has lost a sense of what we’re talking
about when we’re talking about abortion.” And now we can add the other non-negotiables,
like homosexual “marriage” as well. Forgive me for ranting a bit there, Patrick,
but I think that you’ve asked a really, really important question, and I hope I’ve helped
some. Thank you, Patrick.

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