DRAGONLANCE – Bad Dungeons & Dragons Movies Part One | Cynical Reviews

DRAGONLANCE – Bad Dungeons & Dragons Movies Part One | Cynical Reviews


I f**king love D&D. Having discovered it regrettably late in my
life, in the last two years in which I’ve been both a player and Dungeon Master the latter of which I much prefer, as you
can see, it quickly became one of my most passionate
hobbies and has already given me so many great experiences that I will fondly remember for
many years. I could tell you about the time that one of my
players ate a magic bean, then during a combat the next day, he shat out a lifelike stone
statue of himself that insulted him and tried
to get everyone to kill him. He loved it. Or the time one of my players became a coke
addict. The character, not the player. Or the time we were playing a Christmas-themed
one-shot and one of our characters got polymorphed into a giant mechanical furby with the stat
block of a T-Rex. Or the time we fought an actual giant feathered
T-Rex that could teleport and shoot bees out of it’s mouth. Yeah, we noped out of there
pretty quickly. Or the time my dim-witted Barbarian decided
to use his lioncloth – only thing he was wearing – as an Indiana Jones-style counterweight.
It didn’t work, and all but one of us got eaten by a Frogemoth. I could go on. But basically, I’ve seen
a lot of weird sh*t. And I love it. And I’m hardly alone in this. Ever since Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson’s
creation came on to the scene in the seventies, Dungeons and Dragons pretty much defined the
role-playing genre as we know it today and has always exerted an enormous influence over
the nerdy side of western culture. It’s inspired millions of players, writers
and storytellers. The amount of games, novels, TV shows and
movies that at least partly owe their existence to D&D, is… umm… Well, let’s roll for it. It’s a lot. It also earned the wrath of a few pearl-clutching
Evangelicals, but that’s a story for later. Since I’ve publicly expressed an interest
in D&D, more than a few people suggested I make a video about it, which is something
I’ve wanted to do for a long time anyway, but how to make it fit with my channel….? Oh yeah, there were movies about D&D. And
they weren’t very good. “You are under arrest!” I’m not just talking about this one, the
one that’s become notorious for how bad it is. There were other movies that made use of the D&D license and were officially approved by
Wizards of the Coast. So I’m gonna take a look at these movies
in no particular order, and see just how well they’ve managed to roll on their performance
checks. Spoiler alert: not very well, because for the most part,
they’re worse than a pack of rust monsters. While I’m at it, I’m also going to cover
Mazes & Monsters, a TV scare movie made at the height of the moral panic around D&D in
the 80s. Because the fact that that was a thing, will never not be funny to me. “I have spells!” So grab your dice and your characters sheets,
and let’s go on an adventure. “Now, how does it start again? I’ve never
been good with beginnings…” ”Oh, yes!” “FIREBALL!” *Screams* ”By the gods!” First up is 2008’s Dragonlance: Dragons
of Autumn Twilight, made by Commotion pictures and distributed by Paramount in association
with Wizards of the Coast. This was based on the first book in the Dragonlance
Chronicles, set in the D&D campaign setting of the same name, with authors Magaret Weis
and Tracy Hickman assisting George Strayton in adapting the screenplay. Dragons of Autumn Twilight was actually based
on the authors’ own D&D sessions, in which they played through the first of the official Dragonlance game modules. I haven’t read these books, or played any
games in the setting, so I had no expectations going into this, but I do know people who
have, and not a single fan of Dragonlance I talked to liked this film, and the response
from fans online seems to be mostly negative. And it’s really not hard to see why. The most obvious thing that stands out is
the animation quality, so let’s start there. Even played straight off the DVD, it’s fairly
low-res and blurry. The animation style is pretty uninspired and
boring, not much better than your average Saturday morning cartoon, and barely an improvement
over the D&D cartoon that came out 25 years before. Not only the style, but also the execution is lacking.
Sometimes expressions are way off. She’s meant to be eagerly awaiting his approval.
But what does that expression look like to you? And what’s wrong with this image?! And why does this spit look like… something else? The frame rate often drops considerably, I
guess so they could save money, but especially during the fight scenes, it looks horribly clunky. This is made worse by their attempt to combine
the 2D animation with some 3D CGI, which is poorly rendered, looks primitive for its time
and doesn’t compliment the traditional animation. Aside from the gimmick of combining the two
styles, I don’t get what the point of this was. Especially when they couldn’t do it well. Comparing this to The Iron Giant, which came
out 9 years earlier and did it far better, it really is a testament to
Dragonlance’s low budget. As are the effects which are occasionally
placed on top of the animation, again with- eh… “mixed” results. It seems like most of the budget went towards
the voice acting, because there’s some big names and decent talent here, including 24’s Kiefer Sutherland, Smallville’s Michael Rosenbaum, Eu- *laughs* Eurotrip’s Michelle Trachtenberg, and Lucy Lawless, most famous for her role
on The Simpsons. And some other TV show, I dunno. Most of the voice acting is decent, child
actors not-withstanding. “Tag, you’re it! Can’t catch me!”
“You’re it!” ”Hey, how come you’re so short?” Story of my life. Keifer Sutherland’s underutilised voice
work is probably the highlight of the movie. “If you have entered this wood with evil
intentions, you will not live to see the moon’s rise!” But when he reads out the spells, it’s just
hilarious. Like he didn’t take them seriously at all. *Magic words* EXCEPT THAT APPARANTLY HE DID! He did a lot
of research into his character and often worried about the pronunciation of the magic spells,
necessitating multiple takes of their castings. *More magic words* “We did 20 takes and that was the best one” Often the dialogue doesn’t match the mouth
movements, which are already pretty simplistic. At times, it felt like I was watching an anime. “Slime?! At least I’m not a half-breed!” And then there’s the story, which is dripping
with plenty of cheese. “I offered you a chance to work for the
further glory of my Queen!” ”But you have denied her. And now you will
pay… with your LIVES!” If it had just been a Saturday morning cartoon,
it might have been decent. But it’s really not. The film very clearly suffered from having to condense the 450 page novel into a 90 minute movie. Large amounts of the story had to be
cut out, which meant that the storytelling is simplistic and dull, and the narrative
seems to take place in fast motion. Even as the animation stutters at
4 frames per second. The pacing is awful. The film very often rushes
forward, then grinds to a halt, then rushes forward again, making for a
very disorienting experience. And based on what fans of the books have said,
it seems like its characters got butchered by this adaptation. The condensed narrative and hurried pace means
that they aren’t given very much room for development, and what development there *is* is very rushed. Which means that characters who were kinda
tropey anyway are made even more one-dimensional and unempathetic. And at the risk of pissing off a lot of Dragonlance fans, I have to point out that there’s a lot of
stereotypes on display here. The thoughtful but self-doubting party leader
and conflicted half-elf who’s torn between his human and elven halves, and whose
surname is literally “half-elven.” The angry dwarf warrior who’s stubborn as
an ass and complains more than I do. The halfing rogue who’s always jokey, f**ks
around and steals from party members. “I didn’t steal anything! I- uh- I mean,
lemme check…” “Hey! Lorana gave me that ring!” ”This? Oh, you must have dropped it back
at the inn. You’re lucky I picked it up.” There’s always one, isn’t there? The gruff, valiant knight who’s always saying
things like “ON MY HONOUR!” The one woman, who’s also the healer of the party.
Which I’m sure is purely a coincidence. Her stern, man-of-few-words whiteknight who’s
in love with her, and is also a racist. The edgy wizard who sacrificed his health
for his magical powers and is clearly an asshole and will probably turn into a villain. The old man who tells stories and knows everything
but is always forgetting things, and turns out to be a powerful wizard, who’s basically
a DMPC who shows up as-and-when needed to get the players out of sticky situations. And of course: Big titty tavern wenches. “I LIKE BIG BU-” It definitely feels like it was the authors’
first D&D adventure, when they were still young and unimaginative. In fact there are a fair few elements that
have been borrowed heavily from Tolkein and other fantasy writers, too many to be a coincidence. Even back in 1984, critics were complaining
about the novel’s derivative nature, its stock characters and its cliches. And it does mean that the film doesn’t do
much to endear itself to more modern viewers less tolerant of these overused tropes, or
those who have no knowledge of the source material, such as myself. And it meant I got really bored by the end. There’s some references to the game that
pulled me out of the movie and reminded me that I was watching a D&D product. “No matter how powerful a wizard is, he
is limited to the number of spells he can cast each day.” It’s like the movie started metagaming. But then there’s also inconsistencies
with how things work. For example, Reist says magic words
when he cast spells: *Even more magic words” But when Fizban casts spells,
he just says the name of the spell. “KNOCK!” Maybe 1st Edition purists or fans of the books can offer some reason for this difference, but none is given here, so I’m just going to
put it down to incompetence. Ultimately, it’s unclear who the target
audience for this film was. Because if it *was* the book’s established fanbase, then
it really sh*t the bed just like it sh*t all over the material.
Noone over the age of 8 would get much enjoyment out of this, but its PG13 rating and emphasis
on violence and animated T&A means you couldn’t run it on a Saturday morning. Which means it’s not in a position to
make anyone happy. But maybe we can get something out of it.
So let’s take a look. After a poorly animated intro sequence, in
which we see a bunch of dragons and their followers raiding and pillaging,
we cut to a village occupied by Goblins. About which Michelle Trachtenberg’s tavern
wench is remarkably unconcerned. “With all these goblins around, I’m afraid
this place isn’t as festive as it used to be.” The old wizard tells her a tale, which is
the excuse for “Since the dawn of time” exposition. In fact that’s literally how
he begins it, like a DM going over their 50-page setting bible that the players will neither
remember nor care about. “Since the dawn of time…” But it sets the basic premise for the
Dragonlance world of Krynn. Once upon a time, the evil dragon goddess
Takhisis was defeated by the gods of light, especially the warrior god Paladyne. (Yeah, I know, very imaginative) But then people took the piss and prayed too
many times, so the Gods gave Krynn the exterminatus it deserved, and abandoned it, taking their
healing magic with them. And for the next 300 years,
everything went to sh*t. And now Takhisis has somehow returned. There’s more blah blah and exposition. Something
about a staff, and some discs. “I’m sending my greatest warrior to guard the
city. Even if the staff reaches Xak-Tsaroth-” They just had to focus in on her D20s, didn’t they? Michael Rosenbaum’s Tanis meets his dwarven
friend Flint Fireforge on the road to a place called Solace. Tanis has been looking for proof that the
gods have returned, without success. He found no healing magic, which would
have been evidence of this. “Halt! Noone is allowed to walk within the
limits of Solace after dark!” But it’s not… it’s not dark … So then there’s a fight with the goblins,
just like the start of every D&D campaign. It could only be more stereotypical if they
started in a tavern. Which is the very next scene! Here they meet
a bunch of other characters: Sturm, Caramon, and his brother Raist, as well as picking
up the kender Tasslehoff along the way. The only one who hasn’t showed up is Kitiara,
Caramon’s sister and Tanis’s love interest. “I thought you boys would be thirsty!” “Little Tika Weylan! You grew up fast!” And then they immediately emphasis this
with some anime physics. The old man’s story sets off this religious nutter, so Lucy Lawless’s character – Goldmoon – intervenes. The fanatic tries to take her staff, but Riverwind
pushes him away and he falls into the fireplace. In order to put out the flames (or maybe because
he’s a sadist) Tasslehoff knocks him down with the staff, which miraculously heals him. Turns out this was the same staff
that was mentioned earlier. The goblins want the staff, and the people
don’t want them to burn down the town, so the party end up running away from everyone. They eventually get away after some more
laughably bad combat. Then they escape on a boat, and all the potential
tension and drama this scene could have had is wasted through its sloppy execution. “Reistland! Do you have anything
up your sleeve?” “More than you’ll ever know…” *Even even more magic words.* “Good work, brother!” Why didn’t he do that earlier? What was he waiting for? Riverwind starts being racist towards Tanis,
so PvP almost breaks out. But the party decides to put aside their differences
and set out for the village of Hayden to find out more about the staff. During a short rest, it’s revealed that
Riverwind and Halfmoon are in love but can’t be together because they’re from
different social classes, but after only a few sentences are uttered,
the story moves on its next beat and shifts in tone again. As the party are approached by monks, who
turn out to be Draconid warriors. So after an even worse fight
which shows just how badly the two animation styles don’t work together, Sturm lies dying, and noone mentions using
the staff, and it takes about 20 seconds for Goldmoon to think to use it on him. WHY?! Are they all suffering from Feeblemind?! To escape the Draconids, the party runs into
the Darkened Wood, where they eventually run into spirits of the dead. Because the DM was feeling guilty about that
near-death, after they mention they have staff, they get taken to a peaceful glade where they
find a Heroes Feast and The Forestmaster, who’s a unicorn that speaks like a text-to-speech robot. “It’s intended for good. To combat injury,
illness and disease.” “But in these times it will also become
a weapon against the very evil that seeks to banish it from the world.” The Forestmaster tells them to go to the city
of Xak Tsaroth, to recover the Disks of Mishakal – those disks mentioned earlier – which contain
the truth about the gods and will help restore the people’s faith in them. “Where are we?” “The plains of Abomasinia.
Our village lies to the eas-” “NO!” Wha-, ho- how did you not see that
while you were in the air?! So yeah, their village has been destroyed
by the Draconids, whose tracks lead to Xak-Tsaroth. The wizard who-is-definitely-not-evil uses a ‘friendship’ spell to enslave a passing
dwarf to guide them through the city. Where they find a horde of treasure
guarded by a sleeping black dragon, which sometimes looks blue. They find the disks as the dragon wakes up.
Goldmoon breaks the staff in order to destroy it but is herself destroyed in the process.
Riverwind, being a racist, blames Tanis. And so does Tanis.
But they find Goldmoon in a ruined temple, having been “reborn” as a proper cleric
after her intense act of faith. They realise they are unable to decipher the
disks, so they head back to Solace to find someone who can.
On the way, they get ambushed by the Draconids and taken prisoner, along with
the other inhabitants of Solace. “We can’t let them have the discs. If
they realise what they are…” “It’ll be alright. I have cast a spell upon
our belongings. Any who touch them faces a hideous death, painfully devoured by the
great worm Caterpillius!” Yeah, definitely not evil.
In the cage, they meet Tanis’s elven cousin, Galthanas.
And the old guy from the inn, who reveals that his name is Fizban and tells them about
the now long-lost dragonlances, weapons with the power to destroy dragons.
In case you were wondering about the name. “Mishakal: please, heal this child, if it
is your destiny!” “Thank you. It doesn’t hurt anymore.” “Her injuries were too great.” Well, I guess this god of light hates kids. George Carlin: “You know what I say:
F**k the Children!” The caravan gets attacked by elves and the
party breaks free. Elves hate humans, so they refuse to help them any further, but with a successful persuasion roll made at advantage with help from Galthanus -they are lead to an elven city
that’s-definitely-not-Lothlorien to meet the Elven leader. Who doesn’t believe them until Fizban makes
a successful intimidation check. So he tells them that Verminaad is gathering
an army to attack them, and asks the party to forment a rebellion among Verminaad’s
slaves in order to give the elves time to escape. Tanis wants to go alone, but the rest of the
party insists on going with him. As does the old wizard, and the… tavern
wench. Not that she adds anything to the party meta besides those +2 Jugs. Tanis rejects his Elven love interest – because of
course that’s a thing – because he thinks the elves will never accept them. Galthanas leads them on a secret route to
Verminaad’s stronghold. Where Goldmoon heals the leader of the slaves,
who tells them that a dragon is keeping their children hostage, which is why they don’t
dare try to escape. In order to get past the guards, they adopt disguises
and somehow pass their group deception roll. The old dragon guarding the children turns
out to be half-blind and insane, giving them advantage on their deception checks. They lead the people back to the secret tunnel,
but the draconid have found it. So Tanis is unsure what to do and starts
doubting himself again. “Wasn’t it your faith in each other and
in the Gods of Light that got you this far?” “Faith is your greatest weapon against Tekesis!
Embrace it, and you’ll become beacons of light to lead the slaves out of darkness!” I mean… another fireball wouldn’t go amiss. But instead they decide the *smart* thing
to do would be to try sneaking out the front gate, where the entire draconid army has assembled. They fail their group stealth check and it
very quickly goes tits up. Verminaad arrives and starts burning people. So Tanis tricks the old dragon into attacking him. While Fizban uses a Fireball to open the gate,
proving my point that Fireball is indeed the cause of and solution to all of life’s problems. And what’s that massive army doing all this
time? Oh there they are. Finally. Verminaad starts f*cking them up. Because he’s quite literally a cartoon villain,
he waits to finish Tanis off, allowing the half-elf to demonstrate his new found faith, which summons Paladyne, who was actually
the old man all along, of course. Who then defeats Tekhesis, causing
Verminaad to lose all his powers. “Tekhesis?! Why have you abandoned me?!” The old dragon grapples the other red dragon
and crashes them both into the mountain. I feel the need to show that one again. The rest of the draconid army runs away.
And Fizban is assumed lost after falling down that hole – just like in that other movie-
*laugh* F*ck’s sake… The slave leader reveals that he can read
the disks. Some time later, Goldmoon and Riverwinter
get married and everyone starts getting busy. Despite their victory, Raist insists that
they need to find the dragonlances. And in a shocking twist, right at the end
it’s revealed that Kitiara is a high lord of the dragons! DUN DUN DUN! Leaving so, so many things to be resolved
in sequels that are never going to be made. Because although they were probably trying
to establish a franchise of direct-to-dvd movies based on the books, the lack of funding,
lack of imagination, and the squandering of its existing resources and potential means
that what could have been godlike, is instead an aborted foetus of monumental proportions. And the mostly negative reception the film
received meant that plans for future instalments were abandoned. It seems like the studios didn’t really
care, sourcing the animations to an Indian company of questionable quality, and giving
the film almost no marketing except for a single trailer that’s one of the most mid-2000s
trailers I’ve ever seen. “Now, a handfull of warriors must battle
the forces of darkness… in a struggle to save all they hold dear!” There are rumours that another Dragonlance
movie may be in the works, but until then, this is all the fans have got.
And I honestly feel bad for them. So yeah, this series is off to a great start.
And it’s only gonna get better. IYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIY! *Sigh* Gonna be finding dice
everywhere for weeks now! Thanks for watching folks. Once again, I gotta
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  1. At 14:08, I done goofed. I meant to say Goldmoon, not Halfmoon. Sleep deprivation is a hell of a drug.

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  2. It really sounds like you hate anything that's been done before. You're ignoring the fact that at that time, very little fantasy literature existed, not on a dnd level anyway. So these were not overdone tropes then.

    Also, sometimes games start in a fucking tavern. I would wager that given the setting and historical context of an inn, that's just makes the most reasonable sense. I never understood the hatred for that.

    Honestly, if I apply your logic and bias critically to your own videos, it wouldn't go much better for you…

    "Oh look, a youtuber posted another video… go figure"

    "Oh look his video is bashing tropes of old school games"

    Oh look hes bashing a poorly done movie. That's never been done before"

    Ad nauseam

  3. I actually followed the Dragonlance movie development a little because I loved the books so much. They initially had a good budget and were planning on doing a live action LOTR style movie, but the budget kept getting cut and the producers were making idiotic demands. The director was very openly frustrated publicly. It's a shame, but in all honesty it'd be a better TV show, there's too much going on to make it into a movie.

  4. OG 1st DM here…Fizban only appears to be a addled old wizard….he's an avatar of Paladine(the greater God of good) so his spells don't require any components

  5. I need to say this here: I absolutely love how you talk about Woman with big doingydoings in your Videos! As a woman with a large chest (and a bodysize of a hobbit) I love to hear how much someone could hate the woman that is just there because she's a tavern girl that pleases the eyes of the men. I love it! Thank you! I knew I wasn't alone and that is not a problem, because I have a problem with my body!

  6. I'm graduate student in the history department and I actually used a clip from Mazes and Monsters when we were discussing Foucault's Madness and Civilization. There is a part in the book where the believed that if you just accepted the delusion that people who were going crazy saw, then you would help them. Granted, this book discussed the eighteenth century. My point was the thought process then still exists, as the accept his delusion and talk him off the edge. Then he lives at home, constantly in a fantasy world. The movie was a scare tactice that even affected my mother. I began playing D&D in the early 90s, and my mother was scared that I'd join a cult, or some other crazy thing. I didn't, and I was more social with my small group of friends, outside I was awkward and didn't have many friends, got picked on, made fun of. D&D helped me realize that I wasn't alone, I had friends, and I could do anything. Hurrah for Dungeons and Dragons.

  7. Tanis was conflict in the books also, can't remeber Flint personality except that I like him but Tasslehoff was my favorite.

    Fizban is Paladine the God of Justice so he would have more time to practice his spells + I think he is the father to 2 of Godess of the moon so seem very likely that his daughters give him a helping hand or he is more knowledgeable about magic than them.

  8. Blink and you'll miss it at the start of 18:05, but is that Yukari Yakumo on the far left of the screen?

    Thumbs up if you actually know what I'm talking about.

  9. There's this movie I remember renting from Blockbuster that I can't seem to find. I think it was just called "Dungeons and Dragons", but I don't think it was officially licensed. It was a movie about people playing Dungeons and Dragons rather than being set in the world. Most of it was them sitting around the table, but sometimes it would cut away to shadow puppets acting out what their characters are doing.

    Story is about a loser guy who finally finds some friends when he joins a D&D group, and ends up taking up being their DM after they kick their old asshole DM out. Shortly after the group invites a guy who used to bully the protagonist, and then said bully starts dating the girl of the group who the DM had a crush on. At the climax of the movie the DM TPKs the group out of spite, and has the female player's character gang banged to death by orcs.

    Weird movie.

  10. Kender are basically klepto. It is instinctual and no amount of reason or punishment will "correct" this.
    It is indeed a running joke in the multiverse. I believe they have a % chance to have any possible item they may need on them by "accident".
    They are not halflings besides the mechanics to keep rules to less than biblical volumes.

  11. I haven't read the Dragonlance books since I was a teenager. From what I remember, the characters deviate only a little from the now-cliche D&D tropes, but it looks like the movie did them no favours in that regard, jettisoning almost all the quirks that might set them apart. So Flint is a surly and bad-tempered dwarf in the books, sure, but he's also really old even by dwarf standards, which is suggested has more to do with his temperament than being a dwarf. Sturm, the noble and no-nonsense knight, actually gets a character arc. And Tika Waylan, the stereotypical buxom bar wench, gets to be an actual character rather than a walking setup for sexual innuendo. She hits draconians in the face with a frying pan a few times.

  12. There is no explanation why Fizzbang just said the name of the spell to cast them. In the books he plays like he is a forgetful old wizard and tried to remember the spell to get the lock off the cage they are in, Raistlin recognizes it right before he casts and freaks out because he could kill them all.
    I really think it was just to save time since Fizzbang did this regularly playing up the forgetful old man part he was playing.

  13. Fizban is literally the god of Lawful alliance, Paladine. Your complete lack of Dragonlance knowledge makes watching your review hard. I get that you are only reviewing the film, but still. Read the books. You'll enjoy them.

  14. The Dragonlance Chronicles are my favourite books of all time, and as someone who watched this when it came out originally… God, it's like reliving a traumatic event asdflhjk

  15. Man this looks like it could have been a really good show. The voice acting was there. The animation was comical and detailed… I hate seeing things flop like this.

  16. I liked the movie…okay can't say that with a straight face. I read Dragonlance more when I was kid and still reread "Legend of Huma" a lot, though can't say the same for the rest of the books nowadays.

  17. One gem I managed to snag was D&D Scourge of Worlds dvd. It was great because it was actually choose-ur-adventure, with multiple options & endings, and set in 3.5e Greyhawk world.

  18. Hmm, maybe reading the books and understanding how magic works on Krynn, perhaps find out what Kender are… 'rogue halflings…' hmmm….. nope
    The dragonlance books are awesome, the cartoon although a tad lame i admit i still love (my own biased view ofcourse as i loved the books)
    It is hard to take someone who opens a video by sniffing dice and licking books 😟
    Maybe brush up on background knowledge of stuff before insulting them my good man.
    As with most book-movie adaptations, the indepth discriptions are laxed 😪 but. It is a pitty it wasnt higher budgeted and given more much needed tlc 😫

  19. So I started my fantasy games as a WoW gamer, I became the healer. Wound up being a healer main in every game including dnd. Allows everyone to main a character they enjoy and I keep us alive lol

  20. Watching this makes me hope that the Critical Role show does the original series justice. Good thing the actual players are keeping an eye on the project.

  21. I maybe damned but i enjoyed the live action dnd movies. No i don’t think they’re are good movies but i liked them but even if i’d hate them i’d still believed that they’re masterpieces compared to dragonlance movie.

  22. I think what makes for good games is inverse to what makes for good fiction.

    As a teenager I read the Dragonlance books (I don't know if I'd enjoy them much now), some of my proud moments of early adulthood were meeting the authors, and yes, the movie was dismal.

  23. Weeeel Fizban is a god (so maybe that's why he casts differently, but inmo it is JUST incompetence) and the wizard IS evil… This storyline is quite cliché but the aftermath the war of the twins is pretty good. It focuses on Raistlin and it is less one dimensional. The character development on most of them is also fairly better than here.

  24. I was in my early 20s when I first got into Dungeons and Dragons. I had a roommate who did a sport called AmtGard and I eventually ended up going. Met a bunch of people there and one day everyone was talking about Dungeons and Dragons. Now, I've heard of Dungeons and Dragons, growing up on the show back in the day when they used to show reruns of it but I grew up in a small town where nerdy stuff like that wasn't really looked fondly upon (hooray for evangelical small towns full of boring rich white people). Well, I mentioned that I had never played Dungeons and Dragons before but always wanted to try. That was a good 7 or 8 years ago and I'm still very close with those people to this day. Good stuff.

  25. The Dungeon and Dragons cartoon in the 80s was awesome. As a child, I would watch it with my father on Saturday mornings. Great memories.

  26. Not a Halfling. A Kinder. Completely the sam….uh DIFFERENT I mean different. How you ask?

    Humans and Kinder can breed.

    Consider that. Humans can breed with a race that is nearly indistinguishable from children

  27. Fizban is actually the avitar of the god palidine. Which is the good god of the metalic dragons. So it would make sense that his spells would take less to cast then mortals

  28. I thought it looked pretty average for an 80's movie, even a bit imaginative for trying out some 3D animation at a point in time when it wasn't so common. And then I realized it wasn't an 80's movie.
    On a vaguely related note, I love the original animated Hobbit movie. The visuals haven't aged super well, specifically the character designs (Smaug looks like a cat and hobbit eyes are weird), but it's surprisingly immersive to the point that it's easy to overlook the designs after a while. How did it Dragonlance end up being so much worse when it was made 30 years later?

  29. Potential spoiler warning…..I mean…been a while since source and movie but… Fizban is actually a God in disguise (Paladine). That's the reason he doesn't have to use magic words.

  30. 0:01 heck yeah this video's gonna be great can't wait to watch

    0:03 * squinting at the title and youtuber name * Ohhh okay. It's not porn, it's just demonized

  31. Idk why WoC does this? Ive been playing D&D since 2nd Edition and the only other media they've been associated in or have been directly involved in thats really good, that has the spirit of the tabletop game are Neverwinter Nights and Baldurs Gate. I play Cryptic's Neverwinter and its so disheartening at times bc it lacks the creativity. I watched the D&D movie in theaters and was disappointed, specially with Snails 😒. I watched the other ones and was completely defeated🤦🏻‍♀️. I dont think theyll ever be able to make a good movie,nits like theres no passion for that. Again, Idk why tho? Especially nowadays that D&D boasts so much popularity! I wish they did a good MMO and a good movie 🤷🏻‍♀️ I wish they put the same creativity and passion to these other platforms.

  32. Weird how a movie for adolescents, based on a book written for adolescents, doesn't appeal to a middle aged man that couldn't be fucked to familiarize himself with the source material, or the amazing inspiration that Dragonlance has provided for decades, but still feels qualified to whinge about it and judge it. So many of the tropes you bitch and moan about were created by the Dragonlance and Forgotten realms properties. Your schtick is tired and your laziness is disgraceful.

  33. 4:29 I know you are supposed to be riffing on these bad movies… But I didn't know this one existed! Now I want to see it…

    And yes, I do play D&D… I also LOVE D&D… And I have read teh books this movie is based on (By the way, They are a good read! I highly recommend them… They are far from Shakespeare but still good!)

    8:24 You probably have guessed by the fact I recommended the books that I am a fan of the Novels… But yeah, Even I have to admit… These tropes are 1000% in the novels too! But at least they do get more deep development as well… Again, Not seen this movie so I am having to guess from your review that they didn't do enough to emphasise the character growth. (And that clip of Goldmoon spinning her staff… Yeah, Errrrr… NOT IN THE BOOKS!!! She don't do that kind of shit!)

    9:02 "The edgy wizard who sacrificed his health for his magical powers and is clearly an asshole and probably turn into a villain" – ARE YOU SURE YOU HAVE NOT READ THESE BOOKS???

    NB: Must note before the Community gets on my arse… Raistlin is a Chaotic Neutral Character in the Books, but does turn to Evil by the end of the third novel… HOWEVER, He does NOT become a Villain as such… He still helps his former friends in their battle, as his parting gift before proceeding on his own ventures… So ALMOST right! He doesn't become the Villain, but he does turn Evil in D&D terms!

    And even with the clip, Its obvious that the Movie fails to address Raistlin in any meaningful way… He is a very conflicted character with a passion for more Power, and The path of Evil seems to his mind to be that path that will offer him the greatest reward… Something this movie clearly does NOT convey at all!

  34. To expand on the backstory, the gods chucked that rock at Krynn because a Priest-King created a literal Orwellian nightmare state in the name of Good, then attempted to summon them and demand that they make him a god so he could destroy Evil forever. Any sensible person would assume they punished him because he had gone evil, but the implication is that he had simply made Good too powerful (This idea of balancing good and evil is prevalent in early D&D and is almost always ridiculously bizarre). Why they had to murder the hundreds of innocent civilians suffering under the tyrannical rule of this dipshit because he was being a dick is something the gods of Krynn are hoping you don't notice.

  35. Your video has been out for 6 days now and I have the bell activated, seen it in my recommended and sub feed, but I just now got a notification for it.

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