On the Issues with Councilman Jim Waring | U.S. Senator John McCain


[SHOW THEME MUSIC]>>WELCOME TO “ON THE ISSUES.” I’M COUNCILMAN JIM WARING, AND
I’M HONORED TO BE HOSTING U.S. SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN ON TODAY’S
SHOW. SENATOR, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
COMING. YOU’VE BEEN ON BEFORE, AND WE
REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.>>THANKS, JIM. WE ARE LIVING IN INTERESTING
TIMES, SO I’M SURE WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.>>I WOULD SAY THERE’S NO
SHORTAGE OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, AND TO SAY THESE ARE
INTERESTING TIMES IS PROBABLY UNDERSELLING. WE’LL GET RIGHT TO IT. YOUR THOUGHTS ON ONE OF THE
CRAZIEST YEARS I’VE SEEN. I KNOW YOU HAVE SAID SIMILAR
THINGS, SO I’M CURIOUS YOUR TAKE ON HOW 2016 IS ENDING UP.>>I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE
POLLSTERS WERE ALL WRONG, AND THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WAS
CERTAINLY ALL WRONG. I THINK THERE WAS A GROSS
UNDERESTIMATION OF THE ANGER AND FRUSTRATION THAT MANY PEOPLE
FEEL, PARTICULARLY IN RURAL AMERICA, PARTICULARLY AMONG
WHITE, OLDER, BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS WHO’VE LOST THEIR JOBS
AND HAVE SEEN NO PROSPECT OF A NEWER JOB. A LOT OF PEOPLE BLAME THAT ON
TRADE. I THINK THAT THAT MAY BE
PARTIALLY TO BLAME, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ASPECT OF IT IS THE
AUTOMATION THAT’S TAKING PLACE, AND THE TECHNOLOGY LEAPS WE’VE
MADE. FOR EXAMPLE, TEN YEARS AGO, IF
YOU WENT TO AN AUTOMOBILE FACTORY IN MICHIGAN, WHERE TRUMP
CARRIED, YOU WOULD SEE WORKERS ALL OVER CARS AS THEY WENT DOWN
THE ASSEMBLY LINE. IF YOU WENT TODAY, YOU WOULD SEE
A FEW PEOPLE WATCHING ROBOTS PUT THOSE CARS TOGETHER. I THINK ANOTHER FACTOR THAT WE
UNDERESTIMATED, ALL OF US, AND THAT IS THE —
TWO OTHER ASPECTS. ONE, WE REALLY HAVE NEVER
RECOVERED FROM 2008. THERE’S BEEN A LITTLE
IMPROVEMENT, BUT THERE’S NEVER BEEN A REAL RECOVERY —
LIKE THERE HAS BEEN FROM OTHER ECONOMIC MELTDOWNS. IT CERTAINLY WAS A MELTDOWN IN
2008. THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS THAT
THE CAMPAIGNS’ POLLSTERS RELIED ON AN OLDER MODEL RATHER THAN A
NEWER MODEL. THAT NEWER MODEL, WHAT I MEAN
IS, SO MANY MILLENNIALS NOW DON’T HAVE A TELEVISION SET, AND
THEY GET ALL THEIR INFORMATION OFF THE INTERNET. SO WHEN THE POLLSTER CALLS AND
THEY SEE IT’S A NUMBER THEY DON’T KNOW, CLICK, THEY’RE NOT
GOING TO ANSWER A POLLSTER. SO IT MAKES THE POLLSTER’S JOB
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. ALL THOSE FACTORS CONTRIBUTED TO
ARGUABLY THE GREATEST UPSET IN POLITICAL HISTORY SINCE TRUMAN
BEAT DEWEY BACK IN 1948.>>I CAN’T REMEMBER ANYTHING
EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO IT SINCE THEN. MAYBE IN A LOCAL RACE OR
SOMETHING, BUT USUALLY THEY’RE FAIRLY ACCURATE. THAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE
THIS TIME, FOR THE REASONS YOU SUGGEST.>>I MUST TELL YOU THAT I SAW A
LOT OF THIS TURBULENCE OUT THERE, AND THAT’S WHY I TOOK
THIS CAMPAIGN SO SERIOUSLY AND WORKED SO HARD, BOTH IN THE
PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION. I REALLY STARTED WORKING HARD
THREE YEARS AGO, NOT TWO YEARS AGO OR ONE YEAR AGO, BUT THREE
YEARS AGO, BECAUSE I COULD SEE. IF YOU GO INTO THE SOUTHERN
PART OF OUR STATE, PARTICULARLY WHERE THE REAL ESTATE COLLAPSE
WAS SO HARMFUL, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE REALLY HASN’T BEEN A
SIGNIFICANT RECOVERY. THERE’S A LOT OF VERY UNHAPPY
CITIZENS. INTERESTING TIMES.>>YOU CERTAINLY GOT SENT BACK
WITH A MANDATE. OBVIOUSLY, TO WIN BY THE MARGIN
YOU WON BY IS A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FEAT IN THE CLIMATE
YOU’RE DESCRIBING, WHICH WAS NOT INCUMBENT-FRIENDLY BY ANY
STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.>>I THINK THE ADVANTAGE THAT I
HAD WAS MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN ARIZONA KNOW ME BY NOW. SO THEY WERE NOT SO MUCH
AFFECTED BY THE TRUMP PHENOMENON. ALTHOUGH THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN
DID COME INTO THIS STATE VERY STRONGLY. VERY HEAVILY, BOTH MEDIA AND
HIRING PEOPLE ON THE GROUND. MAYBE IN RETROSPECT, AND I
CERTAINLY WOULDN’T CRITICIZE THEM, BUT MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE
SPENT A LITTLE MORE OF THAT TIME IN MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA AND
THE OTHER –>>HISTORY WOULD BEAR THAT OUT
VERY DECISIVELY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PROBABLY
VOTERS PROBABLY RESPONDED TO WAS YOUR CHAIRMANSHIP OF THE ARMED
SERVICES COMMITTEE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS TALK,
“REPUBLICANS WILL LOSE THE SENATE,” AND SO FORTH, BUT THEY
DIDN’T. SO YOU’RE STILL CHAIRMAN. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW
THAT IMPACTS ARIZONA?>>IT IMPACTS ARIZONA VERY
STRONGLY. WE HAVE RAYTHEON DOWN IN TUCSON,
WHO HAVE COMMITTED TO HIRING ANOTHER 2,000 OR 3,000 WORKERS,
THANKS TO A ROAD REALIGNMENT THAT WE MADE, GIVING THEM AN
AREA TO EXPAND. TO UP HERE, WHERE THE APACHE
HELICOPTER IS STILL THE MOST — EVERY NATION ON EARTH WANTS
APACHE HELICOPTERS. THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE SMALLER
CONTRACTORS. THEN YOU HAVE OUR MILITARY
BASES, DAVIS-MONTHAN, MCAS YUMA, LUKE, EVEN CAMP NAVAJO UP IN
FLAGSTAFF. THOSE ARE VERY BIG ASPECTS OF
THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF
SMALLER COMPANIES AND CORPORATIONS THAT DO BUSINESS
HERE IN ARIZONA AS WELL. THE IMPACT OF THE MILITARY AND
DEFENSE ON THE ECONOMY OF OUR STATE HAS BEEN REALLY
SIGNIFICANT. I’VE HEARD ESTIMATES AS MUCH AS
15 TO 20% OF OUR ECONOMY, IF YOU TOTALLED EVERYTHING TOGETHER. THEN WHAT’S NOT IN THERE IS THE
RETIREES. AS YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO
SERVED HERE, WANT TO COME BACK HERE IN THEIR RETIREMENT YEARS. IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF
OUR ECONOMY. AND FINALLY, THE GOLDWATER
RANGES. THE ONLY PLACE LEFT IN AMERICA
WHERE YOU CAN STILL TRAIN USING LIVE ORDNANCE, REAL WEAPONS,
IS THE GOLDWATER RANGES. THAT ALSO MAKES OUR MILITARY
BASES MORE IMPORTANT, RATHER THAN HAVING PLANES COME FROM
IDAHO OR OTHER PLACES TO DO THEIR TRAINING. THE OTHER, BY THE WAY, TRAINING
GROUND IS UP IN NEVADA AT NELLIS. BUT AS FAR AS LIVE ORDNANCE IS
CONCERNED, IT’S THE GOLDWATER RANGES. DEFENSE IS VERY IMPORTANT. FINALLY, ONE OTHER SUBSET OF
THAT IS THE A-10. THE AIR FORCE WANTED TO RETIRE
THE A-10 BECAUSE THE AIR FORCE — AND I LOVE THEM, OKAY? BUT THEY’RE ALWAYS INTERESTED IN
THE LATEST FIGHTER AIRCRAFT, AND THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO NOT
DISREGARD, BUT NOT HAVE AS A HIGH PRIORITY THEIR CLOSE AIR
SUPPORT MISSION. THEY WANTED TO REPLACE THE A-10,
WHICH COSTS AROUND $15 MILLION, WITH THE F-35, WHICH COSTS ABOUT
$150 MILLION. AND THE B-1 BOMBER, NONE OF
WHICH ARE CLOSE AIR SUPPORT. AND I HAVE TO GIVE A LOT OF
CREDIT TO CONGRESSWOMAN MARTHA McSALLY DOWN IN TUCSON, WHO IS A
FORMER A-10 SQUADRON COMMANDER HERSELF. WE BLOCKED IT FOR TWO OR THREE
YEARS. GUESS WHAT AIRPLANE IS NOW DOING
THE BULK OF THE CLOSE AIR SUPPORT WORK IN IRAQ AND SYRIA? THE A-10, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE
ELEMENTS THAT HAD AN EFFECT. WE ARE IN MORE DANGER — THIS
COUNTRY IS FACING MORE THREATS AND ATTACKS THAN ANY TIME SINCE
THE END OF WORLD WAR II. I THINK THAT SOME OF MY WORK ON
THOSE ISSUES HAS ALSO BEEN HELPFUL TO THE COUNTRY AND TO
ARIZONA.>>SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY,
ONE SUBSET OF THE THREATS YOU TALK ABOUT, CYBER SECURITY. WE OBVIOUSLY — I DON’T THINK
WE’VE HAD A BIG ISSUE SO FAR, BUT CERTAINLY IT’S NOT FOR LACK
OF TRYING. THAT’S CERTAINLY SOMETHING
THAT’S MOVING TO THE FOREFRONT. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT?>>ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE
THEN-CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF WAS ASKED, IN
POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF THE FUTURE, HOW DO WE STACK UP
AGAINST OUR POSSIBLE ADVERSARIES? AND HE SAID WE HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE IN EVERY ASPECT OF POSSIBLE
CONFRONTATION, EXCEPT ONE, CYBER. AND THERE ARE SCENARIOS THAT
REACH AS FAR AS A RUSSIAN, WHO ARE THE BEST AT IT —
CHINESE ARE SECOND BEST AT IT — SHUT DOWN SATELLITES. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN TO OUR LIVES IF THE SATELLITES WERE SHUT DOWN? THERE’S NO DOUBT THEY HACKED
INTO THIS CAMPAIGN. IF THEY CAN HACK INTO A
POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND CHANGE THE OUTCOME — AND BY THE WAY,
I’M NOT SAYING THAT THEY AFFECTED THE OUTCOME, OR EVEN
THAT THEY INTENDED TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME. WE HAVE TO HAVE HEARINGS
ON THAT. BUT SUPPOSE THEY COULD. THEN YOU DESTROY THE FUNDAMENTAL
OF A DEMOCRACY. YOU CORRUPT AN ELECTION. THAT’S THE FUNDAMENTAL OF
DEMOCRACY IS FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE HEARINGS
ON THIS. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE HEARINGS IN
THE COMMITTEE ON ALL OF CYBER. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE
CAN DO AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO. THE PROBLEM WITH THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION IS THEY HAVE NO POLICY. IF YOU HAVE NO POLICY, THEN YOU
CAN’T DEVELOP A STRATEGY. IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE NO
POLICY AS TO WHAT TO DO ABOUT SEEING A STRIKE COMING. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN
RESPONSE TO IT. THERE’S NO POLICY. SO WE’VE JUST SAT BACK AND LET
THESE ATTACKS TAKE PLACE AT NO COST. LISTEN, MY CAMPAIGN IN 2008 WAS
HACKED INTO, AS FAR BACK AS THAT, AND THE SOPHISTICATION
LEVEL OF THESE CYBER ATTACKS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. THE HEAD OF CYBER COMMAND, AND
WE COULD SPEND OUR WHOLE TIME ON THIS. BUT THE HEAD OF CYBER COMMAND
TESTIFIED BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE. HE SAID THE PROBLEM IS, “I DON’T
KNOW WHAT I DON’T KNOW.” WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
IMPLICATIONS OF THAT STATEMENT, THAT THE HEAD OF OUR CYBER
COMMAND DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE DOESN’T KNOW — IN OTHER WORDS,
HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE ATTACKS ARE AND WHAT’S COMING,
ET CETERA. THEN THAT MEANS THAT IT HAS TO
BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES FOR THE NATION. I BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT-ELECT
TRUMP UNDERSTANDS THAT, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT GENERAL MATTIS,
OUR INCOMING SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, CERTAINLY KNOWS
ABOUT IT.>>OBVIOUSLY YOU’VE BEEN
INSTRUMENTAL IN YOUR COMMENTS. I SAW YOU WHEN I WAS AT THE GYM
THIS MORNING, PEDALLING AWAY ON THE EXER-CYCLE. YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE
CABINET OFFICERS. YOU’VE HAD OBVIOUSLY VERY STRONG
VIEWS ABOUT RUSSIA. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT
COMING TOGETHER AND YOUR THOUGHTS?>>I BELIEVE THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
IS A THUG AND A BULLY AND A MURDERER, AND THERE’S AMPLE
EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP. HE’S AN OLD KGB AGENT THAT WANTS
TO RESTORE THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. THAT’S WHY HE’S PUTTING
SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE BALTIC COUNTRIES, MOLDOVA. HE INVADED UKRAINE. IT WAS RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT THAT
SHOT DOWN A MALAYSIAN AIRLINER. THE LIST COULD GO ON AND ON
AND ON. HE POISONED ONE OF THE KGB
PEOPLE THAT WAS IN LONDON. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.>>Waring: HE’S A BIG FAN
OF YOURS.>>HE SANCTIONED ME AT THE SAME
TIME THAT HE WAS GIVING AN AWARD TO MR. TILLERSON FOR BEING A
FRIEND OF RUSSIA. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND VLADIMIR PUTIN FOR WHAT HE IS. I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
THERE WAS ANOTHER PRESIDENT THAT CAME TO OFFICE NAMED RONALD
REAGAN WHO ARTICULATED PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH, WHO SAID,
“TAKE DOWN THIS WALL,” ABOUT THE BERLIN WALL, AND WON THE
COLD WAR, IN THE WORDS OF MARGARET THATCHER, WITHOUT
FIRING A SHOT. I’M NOT INTERESTED IN A WAR WITH
RUSSIA. I AM INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING THE
PATH THAT RONALD REAGAN DID, BUILDING UP OUR DEFENSE
CAPABILITIES, STRENGTHENING OUR ALLIANCES. BY THE WAY, OUR BALTIC FRIENDS
AND OTHER EUROPEAN NATIONS, THE BEST I CAN DESCRIBE THEM IS
A STATE OF UNCERTAINTY. IN SOME CASES, IT’S REAL CONCERN
TO THE POINT THAT IT’S ALMOST FEAR. SO WE NEED TO BUILD UP OUR
DEFENSES. WE’RE STILL THE BEST MILITARY ON
EARTH. WE’RE STILL THE BEST COMMANDED. WE ARE NOW NET ENERGY EXPORTERS. WE STILL HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY AND
CAPABILITY. SO WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WILL
LEAD AND USE IT. BUT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A BULLY. HE’S A BULLY, THAT’S ALL HE IS. AND BULLIES BACK DOWN IN THE
FACE OF STEADFAST, STRONG CAPABILITIES. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE’S SO MANY
THINGS WE COULD BE DOING. ONE IS INSTALLING THE
ANTIMISSILE CAPABILITIES IN EASTERN EUROPE. THE OTHER THING IS STRENGTHENING
OUR TIES WITH THE EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, INCLUDING
THE BALTICS, WHICH WE ARE DOING SOME OF, BUT WE HAVE TO DO A LOT
MORE. WE HAVE TO GIVE DEFENSIVE
WEAPONS. DID YOU KNOW PRESIDENT OBAMA
REFUSED TO GIVE DEFENSIVE WEAPONS TO THE UKRAINIANS? I’M TALKING ABOUT DEFENSIVE
WEAPONS IN THE FACE OF AN INVASION BY RUSSIA INTO THEIR
COUNTRY. THERE’S A WHOLE LOT OF STEPS
THAT WE COULD TAKE TO SHOW OUR STRENGTH, SHOW VLADIMIR PUTIN
THAT HE’S NOT GOING TO SUCCEED. THE BEST WAY TO AVOID WARS IS TO
BE PREPARED FOR THEM. THAT’S THE LESSON OF HISTORY
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.>>AGAIN, YOU’RE AT THE CENTER
OF IT AS CHAIRMAN OF THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.>>BY THE WAY, MR. TILLERSON, AS
THE HEAD OF EXXON MOBILE, ONE OF THE WORLD’S LARGEST
CORPORATIONS, DID BUSINESS WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. I DON’T BEGRUDGE HIM THAT. BUT I ALSO REMEMBER THE WORDS OF
LENIN, WHO SAID, “THE CAPITALISTS WILL HANG
THEMSELVES AND WE’LL SELL THEM THE ROPE TO DO IT.” SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS
ATTITUDE AND WHAT HIS POSITION AS SECRETARY OF STATE WILL BE,
VIS A VIS VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA. I AM NOT SAYING I WILL NOT VOTE
FOR MR. TILLERSON. I’M SAYING THAT I WANT TO
EXAMINE HIS RECORD AND WHAT HE WILL DO. THAT’S THE ROLE OF THE UNITED
STATES SENATE, ADVISE AND CONSENT. THAT’S IN THE CONSTITUTION OF
THE UNITED STATES. THE PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP HAS
THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. HE WAS JUST ELECTED BY THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN, AS IT
HAS NOT MEANT WITH OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OR
BUSH ADMINISTRATION OR CLINTON ADMINISTRATION,
ALL OF WHICH I’VE HAD A ROLE IN ADVISE AND CONSENT.>>SPEAKING OF THAT, THE NEW
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. YOU’LL OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH
HIM INTIMATELY.>>HE’S A GREAT GUY. I’VE KNOWN HIM VERY WELL FOR A
LONG TIME. HE’S A GREAT LEADER. HE WAS FIRED AS THE HEAD OF
CENTRAL COMMAND, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR COMMANDS THAT HAS TO
DO WITH THE MIDDLE EAST, BECAUSE HE WASN’T GOING ALONG WITH THE
30-SOMETHINGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT ARE ON THE NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL. THERE’S A FAMOUS STORY THAT
FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE GATES LIKES TO TELL, THAT HE WAS
IN KABUL, AFGHANISTAN. HE WALKED BY AN OFFICE OF ONE OF
THE GENERALS, AND THERE WAS A RED PHONE. AND HE SAID, “WHAT IS THAT
PHONE?” HE SAID, “THAT’S OUR DIRECT LINE
TO THE WHITE HOUSE, TO THE N.S.C. STAFF.” AND SECRETARY GATES SAID,
“RIP THAT OUT, RIP THAT OUT.” THEY WERE MICROMANAGING FROM THE
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL STAFF WHO, BY THE WAY, HAS NO
CHARTER TO DO SO. BUT THAT WERE GIVING ORDERS ON
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT TO OUR COMMANDERS IN THE FIELD. THAT’S WHY WE ARE NOT WINNING IN
AFGHANISTAN. THE MAJOR INFLUENCE IN IRAQ
TODAY IS NOT THE UNITED STATES, IT’S THE IRANIANS, AND WE ARE
HAVING ENORMOUS DIFFICULTIES IN SORTING OUT WHO OUR FRIENDS ARE,
AND WHAT THEIR AMBITIONS ARE. THERE’S NO DOUBT THAT RUSSIA’S
MAJOR EFFORT IS NOT ISIS. RUSSIA’S MAJOR EFFORT IS KEEPING
BASHAR ASSAD IN POWER. THAT’S THE IRANIAN’S MAJOR
EFFORT. THE ISIS JUST RETOOK PALMYRA
WHILE THE RUSSIANS ARE BOMBING THE PEOPLE THAT WE TRAINED AND
ARMED AND EQUIPPED IN ALEPPO. THAT IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF WHAT
VLADIMIR PUTIN’S PRIORITIES ARE.>>YOU’VE BEEN OUTSPOKEN ABOUT
SYRIA AS WELL, ANOTHER TROUBLE SPOT IN THE WORLD. YOU’VE JUST OBVIOUSLY TOUCHED
ON IT. DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND ABOUT
WHERE YOU SEE THINGS GOING?>>I’M GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF
SORROW THIS CHRISTMAS, BECAUSE SO MANY THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN
MURDERED AND WOUNDED AND DISPLACED OVER THE LAST FEW
WEEKS, AS RUSSIA, IRANIANS, HEZBOLLAH, SYRIANS, HAVE
ORCHESTRATED A BRUTAL CAMPAIGN. PRECISION BOMBING OF HOSPITALS,
WAR CRIMES ATROCITIES THAT ARE HARD TO DESCRIBE. AND THEY ARE DRIVING THE
OPPOSITION OUT OF ALEPPO. ALEPPO IS THE REALLY MAJOR
ANCIENT CITY IN SYRIA. THERE’S GREAT SYMBOLISM
ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE PICTURE THAT APPEARED ON THE
FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA A MONTH OR SO AGO OF A
LITTLE BOY SITTING IN A CHAIR, COVERED WITH DIRT AND BLOOD,
ENCAPSULATES WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN SYRIA. THE SENSELESS SLAUGHTER OF SO
MANY INNOCENTS. THIS WILL GO DOWN, ALONG WITH
RWANDA AND SREBRENICA, AS ONE OF THE GREAT ATROCITIES OF
RECENT TIMES. IT WILL BE ON THE RECORD OF
BARACK OBAMA, AND I WON’T WASTE THE REST OF OUR TIME
TALKING ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED. BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN BASHAR
ASSAD WAS ABOUT TO FALL. WE DID NOTHING.>>SWITCHING GEARS TO OUR LOCAL
ECONOMY, OR THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY —
>>LET ME JUST SAY THERE ARE TWO CHALLENGES, I BELIEVE, OF THE
21st CENTURY IN ARIZONA ARE FIRE AND WATER. WE’VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON
TRYING TO GET FOREST CLEARING. TO SUPPORT THESE COMMERCIAL
ENTERPRISES THAT HARVEST. WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION
ON WATER. IT’S GOING TO BE A CRISIS. IT’S NEARING A POINT IN LAKE
MEAD, AS YOU KNOW, WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE TRIGGERED. WHAT’S OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
CALIFORNIA. WHO’S GOING TO GIVE UP WATER
FIRST, AND IF YOU GIVE UP WATER, WHO’S GOING TO BE AFFECTED
BY IT. OUR GOVERNOR AND OUR HEAD OF
DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES ARE WORKING HARD, BUT THIS IS
GOING TO REQUIRE WORK THAT GOES BETWEEN THE FEDERAL OFFICIALS,
THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR — THE NEXT SECRETARY OF THE
INTERIOR IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS ISSUE OF
WATER. FOREST THINNING. ALL OF THESE ISSUES ARE REALLY
VITAL TO THE FUTURE OF ARIZONA. ONE OF THEM IS TO CLEAR THIS
BUSH THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT, THAT IS DRINKING SO MUCH WATER,
THAT WE ARE WORKING HARD ON AS WELL. THERE’S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE
IN THAT AREA. I HOPE THAT ALL OF US CAN WORK
VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER ON IT. IT’S GOING TO BE A REAL
CHALLENGE. OUR CHALLENGE NOW IS TO MAKE
SURE OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN — BY THE WAY,
I JUST HAD ONE, GRANDCHILD — IS TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE THE
SAME OPPORTUNITIES IN LIFE IN ARIZONA THAT WE HAD. THAT IS AT RISK HERE, BUT THERE
ARE WAYS TO DO IT. IT’S NOT THAT WE CAN’T DO IT,
IT’S THAT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. WE MUST, AND I BELIEVE, WE WILL. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A GREAT
GOVERNOR. I BELIEVE WE HAVE MAYORS AND
CITY COUNCILS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO IT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE
PEOPLE LIKE THE SALT RIVER PROJECT AND THE CENTRAL ARIZONA
PROJECT THAT ARE IN 100%.>>I KNOW THE CITY OF PHOENIX
HAS TAKEN YOUR WORDS TO HEART. WE’RE INVESTING TENS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN TRYING TO ENSURE WATER SAFETY, I GUESS I WOULD
SAY, GOING FORWARD, A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY.>>I’M VERY PROUD OF THE CITY
OF PHOENIX. COULD I JUST MENTION ANOTHER
THING ABOUT THE CITY OF PHOENIX? I TELL EVERYBODY I TALK TO, WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT VETERANS, THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX, THAT THERE’S
NOT A HOMELESS VETERAN IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. AND AGAIN, I AM SO PROUD TO BE A
RESIDENT OF A CITY THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR VETERANS. AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR,
THE CITY COUNCIL, WHO HAVE MADE THIS HAPPEN. IT’S A MODEL FOR EVERY CITY IN
AMERICA.>>THE COURTS HAVE COME UP WITH
INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS. OUR STAFFERS HAVE REALLY WORKED
HARD ON THAT, AND I WILL PASS THAT ALONG, AND THEY WILL REALLY
APPRECIATE IT. IT WAS A LOT OF EFFORT, AND I
THINK WELL-PLACED, AS YOU SUGGEST. SPEAKING OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX,
THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE PAPER HERE RECENTLY ABOUT THE FAA, AND
A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS WATCHING THIS SHOW, CERTAINLY IN MY AREA
PARTICULARLY –>>MY FRIEND, AFTER A LOT OF
WORK AND A LOT OF EFFORT — THERE’S ONE VIRTUE OF BEING
CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE. ON OCCASION, YOU’RE ABLE TO GET
THE AGREEMENT OF THE OTHER MEMBERS TO GET A PROVISION IN
THAT’S NOT EXACTLY TOTALLY IN LINE WITH — ALTHOUGH THIS HAS
TO DO WITH LUKE AIR FORCE BASE, AND OVER-FLIGHTS, AND
INTERACTION BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS AND LUKE AIR FORCE
BASE, SO THERE IS LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT THAT. BUT EVERYBODY WANTS A NEW STUDY,
AND WE’RE GOING TO GET A NEW STUDY. THE PRESIDENT HASN’T SIGNED THE
BILL, BUT I’M CONFIDENT THAT HE WILL, BECAUSE IT PASSED THROUGH
THE SENATE WITH A VOTE OF 92 TO 7. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN WE HEAR
ABOUT ALL THIS PARTISANSHIP, ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE,
WE WORK TOGETHER. WE WORK REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS TOGETHER, AND THAT’S WHY WE GET A VOTE LIKE 92 TO 7
ON OUR PRODUCT. I’M VERY PROUD OF THAT
RELATIONSHIP THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE AND I HAVE
WITH THE SENIOR DEMOCRAT ON THE COMMITTEE, JACK REED OF RHODE
ISLAND, WHO BY THE WAY HAPPENS TO BE A GRADUATE OF WEST POINT. HE’S THE HAPPIEST MEMBER OF THE
UNITED STATES SENATE SINCE ARMY FINALLY DEFEATED —
>>DID YOU GO TO THE GAME?>>McCain: I WENT TO THE GAME.>>I’M SORRY. I WAS TOO POLITE TO BRING IT UP.>>ONCE EVERY 15 YEARS, WE HAVE
TO LET THEM –>>IT WAS THE LONGEST WINNING
STREAK IN THE SERIES, RIGHT?>>IT DOES AFFECT THESE KIDS’
MORALE, AND I DO BELIEVE IN BALANCE, JUST NOT VERY OFTEN. IT’S A GREAT EVENT. ALL THE THINGS LEADING UP TO IT. IT’S REMARKABLE. BY THE WAY, I’M GLAD THE
PRESIDENT-ELECT ATTENDED THE GAME.>>BACK TO THE FAA FOR JUST ONE
SECOND. WE REALLY OWE YOU A DEBT OF
THANKS, BECAUSE I TALKED TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES —
>>McCain: INCESSANTLY. MY DEAR VIEWERS, HE TALKED TO ME
INCESSANTLY. WE DIDN’T RUN INTO EACH OTHER ON
ANY OCCASION THAT IT WASN’T BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. YOU CAN THANK HIM FOR BEING A
REAL PAIN YOU KNOW WHERE.>>WE APPRECIATE YOU, AND I ALSO
INTERACTED WITH SENATOR FLAKE’S STAFF. THE TWO OF YOU REALLY WORKED ON
THIS. IT’S A BIG DEAL. I’M SURE VIEWERS PROBABLY
REALIZE IT’S A BIG DEAL TO GET SOMETHING STARTED LIKE THAT. TO GET IT TO THE PRESIDENT’S
DESK. OBVIOUSLY, WE DIDN’T KNOW HOW
THE ELECTION WOULD TURN OUT, OR HOW THIS WOULD GO. BUT THIS IS PROMISING THAT THEY
WILL HAVE TO REVIEW THESE LINES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS, THEY’RE
NOT FOLLOWING WHAT THEY SAID WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE. I’M HOPEFUL THEY MIGHT
REEVALUATE AND REALLY SAVE A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS AN AGGRAVATION. IT’S NOT AS BIG AS SOME OF THE
ISSUES WE LED OFF WITH, INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL
STAGE, BUT IT’S IMPORTANT, AND THE CITY OF PHOENIX REALLY OWES
YOU A DEBT OF THANKS, BECAUSE THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS, AND RIGHTFULLY SO. IT WAS NOT WELL-HANDLED BY
THE FAA.>>I WAS VERY GRATEFUL TO BE
REELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND THE VOTERS. I’M VERY GRATEFUL, AND IT WAS
GREAT FUN TO CAMPAIGN ALL OVER THE STATE.>>Waring: YOU WENT ALL OVER. IT WAS REALLY AMAZING TO WATCH.>>BY THE WAY, I RECOMMEND MANY
PLACES. BUT ONE SATURDAY NIGHT A MONTH,
THEY HAVE A SHOOT-OUT DOWN IN TOMBSTONE. I RECOMMEND THAT ONE. I’M VERY GRATEFUL, BUT I’M ALSO
VERY PROUD OF MY STATE, AND I’M ALSO VERY PROUD OF THE CITY OF
PHOENIX. YOU WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION
AS WELL. I’VE HAD VERY GOOD RELATIONS
WITH MAYOR STANTON AND WITH ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND
THAT’S VERY HELPFUL WHEN ISSUES COME UP. I WANT TO THANK ALSO THE MAYOR,
THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITIZENS OF PHOENIX FOR THEIR
INCREDIBLY STRONG SUPPORT THAT THEY GIVE OUR FOLKS OUT AT
LUKE AIR FORCE BASE. I RUN INTO MEN AND WOMEN ALL THE
TIME WHO SERVED THERE WHO SAY “I LOVED BEING THERE, AND
I LOVED BEING IN THE VALLEY.” I THINK WE CAN BE PROUD OF THAT.>>Waring: SO MANY OF THEM
COME BACK. THAT’S THE ULTIMATE REFERENDUM
ON WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF THEIR EXPERIENCE.>>EXACTLY RIGHT. SOME OF OUR LEADERS HAVE COME
FROM THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT THE MILITARY AND CONTINUE TO SERVE. I’M VERY PROUD.>>WE TRIED — YOU AND I ARE ON
THE REPUBLICAN TEAM, BUT CERTAINLY IN OUR INTERACTIONS,
I’D LIKE TO THINK BOTH OF US, INCLUDE MYSELF IN THAT, WE TRY
NOT TO MAKE THE COMMENTS PERSONAL AND SO FORTH. FOR ISSUES THAT REALLY BENEFIT
ALL THE CITIZENS IN A NON-PARTISAN FASHION LIKE THE
FAA ONE, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HEAR OUT MY
DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES AS WELL. YOU MET WITH A COUPLE OF THEM,
GALLEGO AND PASTOR IN D.C. I KNOW THEY REALLY APPRECIATED
THAT. AFRAID WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO
CLOSE ON THAT NOTE, BECAUSE WE’RE OUT OF TIME, BUT YOU WERE
REALLY A BIG HELP WITH THAT ISSUE.>>THANK YOU. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES
AHEAD, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING IN THE COMING YEARS,
WORKING WITH YOU, MAYOR, AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IT’S BEEN A PRIVILEGE FOR ME TO
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SO IN THE PAST.>>Waring: THANKS SO MUCH,
SENATOR. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING ON
THE SHOW YET AGAIN. I THINK IT’S THE FOURTH OR FIFTH
TIME. IT MEANS A LOT TO US AND OUR
VIEWERS, AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THAT’S IT FOR “ON THE ISSUES.” IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS, PLEASE CALL MY OFFICE AT 602-262-7445,
OR VISIT MY WEBSITE AT PHOENIX.GOV/DISTRICT 2. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU
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