Senate Could Vote On Healthcare This Week | AM Joy | MSNBC

Senate Could Vote On Healthcare This Week | AM Joy | MSNBC


>>>THIS BILL, THIS BILL IS
CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, NOT THE ANSWER.
IT’S SIMPLY NOT THE ANSWER. AND I’M ANNOUNCING TODAY THAT IN
THIS FORM I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.>>MY PROBLEM IS INSURANCE
COMPANIES ALREADY MAKE THERE ARE 15 BILLION A YEAR.
I DON’T THINK THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD GIVE THEM ANY MONEY.
SO I REALLY AM OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF GIVING INSURANCE
COMPANIES MONEY AND SAY WILLING YOU LOWER YOUR PRICES.
>>NEEDS 50 VOTES PLUS MIKE PENCE’S TIEBREAKER TO PASS THE
SENATE VERSION OF THE OBAMACARE REPEAL BILL THIS WEEK.
WITH FIVE GOP SENATORS INCLUDING DEAN HELLER AND RAND PAUL
ALREADY COMING OUT AGAINST IT, ALBEIT FOR OPPOSITE REASONS, ITS
LIKE THE MITCH McCONNELL BILL MAY NOT HAVE THE RANGE.
MICHELLE BERNARD AND MICHAEL STEELE AND JENNIFER RUBIN FROM
“THE WASHINGTON POST” AND CURT
BARDELLA. WHERE TO BEGIN.
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE TWO HOLDOUTS SO FAR.
THE MOST VULNERABLE SENATORS ACCORDING TO COOK POLITICAL
REPORT, ARE JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA AND DEAN HELLER OF
NEVADA, AT LEAST THE MOST VULNERABLE REPUBLICANS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY ARE INSENT VIS
INCENTIVIZED TO SAY NO. MICHAEL STEELE, IF HELLER CLAIMS
ONE OF THE TWO WAIVERS THAT MITCH McCONNELL HAS TO GIVE, WHO
WOULD CLAIM THE OTHER AND DO YOU THINK THAT MITCH McCONNELL CAN
GET THE REST OF THE VOTES THAT HE NEEDS IF HE’S DEFINITELY GOT
A NO ON HELLER? >>GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK THE OTHER WOULD BE CLAIMED BY RAND PAUL.
I DON’T THINK THAT THERE’S TOO MUCH THAT THEY COULD DO BEYOND A
WHOLESALE REWRITE OF THIS BILL, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE
INSURANCE PROVISIONS THAT RAND PAUL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO I SUSPECT THOSE ARE THE TWO. THE OTHER THREE WILL LIKELY
CAPITULATE, AND I USE THAT WORD DELIBERATELY, BECAUSE McCONNELL
HAS THAT ABILITY TO GET THESE GUYS TO DO THAT.
BUT RAND PAUL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLIER AND NOT
NECESSARILY A FOLLOWER IN THE SENATE.
AND HELLER ALSO GIVEN THE POLITICAL REALITIES IN HIS STATE
AND HIS RE-ELECTION, WILL PROBABLY STAY CLOSER TO WHERE
HIS GOVERNOR IS, GOVERNOR SANDOVAL, AND WHERE THE PEOPLE
OF HIS STATE ARE. THAT’S STILL, I THINK, JOY, IS
NOT A GUARANTEE ON THE OTHER THREE.
FOR THESE OTHER FOLKS, THEY DO HAVE SOME REAL ISSUES WITH THE
SUBSTANCE OF OF THIS. THIS BILL DOES NOT REPEAL
OBAMACARE. IT JUST DOESN’T.
AND SO REPUBLICANS CANNOT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE GO OUT AND SAY
THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL ELEMENTS OF OBAMACARE THAT ARE
PART OF THIS BILL AND HOW THEY MAKE THAT ARGUMENT TO THEIR
CONSERVATIVE BASE IS GOING TO BE THE REAL CHALLENGE.
>>AT THE SAME TIME, JENNIFER, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THEN
THEY ALSO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHO CAN NO LONGER AFFORD
NURSING HOME CARE FOR THEIR MOMS WHY THEY TOOK AWAY THE PART OF
BOM CARE THAT HELPED THEM PAY FOR THAT.
YOU WROTE A PIECE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A
NO-BRAINER FOR HELLER, ESSENTIALLY SAYING NO TO IT
SHOULD BE AN EASY NO FOR HIM. HILLARY CLINTON DID WIN NEVADA
48-46 OVER DONALD TRUMP. IF YOU TAKE HIM OFF THE TABLE,
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ARGUMENT, AND THAT WOULD
BE THE RAND PAUL SIDE WHERE ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A BLOCK OF
REPUBLICANS SAYING NO, THIS ISN’T CRUEL ENOUGH, WE WANT ALL
THE SUBSIDIES THAT PEOPLE GET FOR BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE
GONE, WE WANT THE MANDATE GONE, WE EVENTUALLY WANT NO ASSISTANCE
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR PEOPLE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.
EXPLAIN THAT ARGUMENT TO ME AND WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
>>THEY BELIEVE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE
GUARANTEEING HEALTH COVERAGE FOR ANYONE.
THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO PRE-OBAMA — I GUESS THEY WANT
TO GO BACK TO PREMEDICAID. SO IT’S NOT AN ARGUMENT THAT HAS
ANY SELL WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT FOR THEM AND THEIR
NARROW CONSTITUENTS, THIS CARRIES WEIGHT.
I DO THINK THAT MIKE LEE IS THE OTHER PROBLEM, AND I ALSO WANT
TO STRESS THAT THERE ARE OTHER MODERATES OUT THERE WHO REALLY
MAY COME THROUGH AND SAY NO. THAT WOULD BE SUSAN COLLINS OF
MAINE. AGAIN, THEY HAVE A TERRIBLE POPE
— OPIATE PROBLEM THERE.
WEST VIRGINIA, THEY HAVE NOT ONLY AN ENORMOUS OPIATE PROBLEM
BUT ONE OF THE LARGEST EXPANSIONS OF COVERAGE OF ANY
STATE UNDER OBAMACARE, BOTH THROUGH THE EXCHANGES AND
THROUGH EXPANDED MEDICAID. SO SHE HAS TO GO BACK TO HER
STATE AND EXPLAIN HOW WE’RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE
PEOPLE, WHO’S GOING TO PAY FOR THIS, AND WHAT SERVICES AT THE
STATE LEVEL WILL HAVE TO BE CUT IN ORDER TO ABSORB THIS COST.
>>OR TAXES RAISED IN ORDER TO CUT IT.
I WANT TO GO TO YOU ON THIS. THE INTERESTING THING HERE,
DONALD TRUMP, THE WAY HE RAN WAS SORT OF UNLIKE THE WAY
REPUBLICANS NORMALLY RAN. HE RAN AS THE WORKING MAN’S
REPUBLICAN EVEN THOUGH HE LIVES IN A GOLDEN PENTHOUSE, WHICH IS
WEIRD. HE SAID I WON’T CUT MEDICAID,
WE’RE NOT GOING TO HURT PEOPLE, WE WON’T HAVE COVERAGE.
IF YOU LOOK AT STATES THAT TOOK THE DEAL, TOOK THE EXPANSION,
THAT’S THEORETICALLY WHERE THE TRUMP BASE LIVES.
SO YOU HAVE STATES LIKE ARIZONA, ARKANSAS, COLORADO, INDIANA,
IOWA, WHERE HE KEEPS GOING, KENTUCKY WHICH ACTUALLY EXPANDED
AND THE NEW GOVERNOR KIND OF PULLED IT BACK.
LOUISIANA, MONTANA, OHIO, WHERE ROB PORTMAN HAS TO MAKE A
DECISION, GO BACK TO THAT LIST OF REPUBLICANSLICANS IF WE COUL
THE EXPANSION STATES. SO, CURT, THOSE REPUBLICANS,
WHAT’S GOING TO BE MORE POWERFUL OF AN ARGUMENT FOR THEM, THE
IDEA THAT THE CONSERVATIVE PART OF THEIR BASE SAYS YOU HAVE TO
REPEAL ANYTHING WITH THE WORD OBAMA IN IT, SO OBAMACARE HAS TO
GO, OR THE POPULIST PART OF THEIR BASE THAT SAYS, WAIT A
MINUTE, I WANT TO CHEMOMY MEDICAID EXPANSION?
>>AGAIN, I THINK IT’S ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL IT’S ACTUALLY
YOUR HEALTH CARE, YOUR COVERAGE, YOUR BOTTOM LINE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING BECOMES A LOT MORE REAL.
I THINK THAT’S REALLY WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
TO THIS POINT, THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY HAS BEEN A LOT MORE
EXISTENTIAL. THERE HASN’T BEEN A LOT THAT’S
AFFECTED PEOPLE ON A VERY HUMAN, PERSONAL LEVEL, AND NOW WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE’S HEALTH CARE AND THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE
CONSEQUENCES IF THIS BILL IS PASSED AND IF THE REPEAL
OBAMACARE IS ACTUALLY SIGNED INTO LAW BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THEN A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
VOTING AGAIN EN MASSE, THERE WILL BE REAL CONSEQUENCES THAT
THEY CAN MEASURE THIS PRESIDENCY TO.
AND WHAT PEOPLE SAY THEY CARE ABOUT TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE
THE SAME THING AFTER THIS IS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, AFTER THE
CONSEQUENCES ARE FELT, AND THAT’S WHAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP IN
MIND, NOT NECESSARILY THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ELECTORATE
TODAY, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FEEL ABOUT THIS WHEN IN A YEAR
AND A HALF IT’S REVEALED THERE ARE ALL THESE PROBLEMS SO, MUCH
COST, PEOPLE’S CARE GOES DOWN, THE QUALITY OF CARE GOES DOWN,
THEY CAN’T TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES, AND IT’S BECAUSE
REPUBLICANS PASSED A BILL THAT VIOLATED EVERYTHING THEY SAID
FOR LAST DECADE. IT WAS WRITTEN IN SECRET, IT
WASN’T TRANSPARENT, THEY DIDN’T DELIBERATE IT, THE PUBLIC DIDN’T
HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHAT WAS IN IT.
THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THE FULL COST AND CONSEQUENCES ARE.
AND THEN THEY PUSHED IT FORWARD, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SPENT
THE LAST SIX, EIGHT YEARS COMPLAINING ABOUT, NANCY PELOSI
AND OBAMACARE HOW THAT HAPPENED, THEY’VE COMPLETELY UNDERMINED
THEIR ENTIRE MORAL CREDIBILITY WITH THIS PROCESS.
>>IT’S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, MICHELLE, BECAUSE REPUBLICANS,
CONSERVATIVES HAVE LONG MADE THE ARGUMENT THE PROBLEM WITH
LIBERALS IS THEY KEEP TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT’S BEST FOR THEM
WITHOUT ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.
IN THIS CASE, THEY DID EXACTLY THAT.
THEY SAID WE 13 MEN ARE GOING TO GO, WHITE MEN, BEHIND CLOSED
DOORS AND TELL YOU WHAT’S BEST FOR YOU.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT.
IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF IT WAS JUST MITCH McCONNELL.
BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS EMBRACED 100% THIS BILLBILL.
IT IS NOT McCONNELL CARE. IT’S TRUMP CARE.
TRUMP SAID I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SENATE HEALTH CARE BILL,
LOOK FORWARD TO MAKE IT REALLY SPECIAL.
THEN HE GOES ON FOX AND FRIENDS AND GOES BACK TO TAKING CREDIT
FOR THE IDEA HE SAID DON’T MAKE IT MEAN.
LISTEN. >>YOUR BILL, NOT A HEALTH CARE
BILL, A MASSIVE TRANSFER OF WEALTH, IT’S GOING TO HARM
AMERICANS, IT’S MEAN. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE FORMER
PRESIDENT — >>USING MY TERM, MEAN, THAT WAS
MY TERM, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE — I WANT TO SEE — AND I
SPEAK FROM THE HEART, THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO SEE, I WANT TO
SEE A BILL WITH HEART. HONESTLY, NOBODY CAN BE TOTALLY
HAPPY, EVEN WITHOUT THE VOTES. FORGET ABOUT THE VOTES.
NOTHING TO DO WITH VOTES. THIS HAS TO DO WITH PICKING A
PLAN THAT EVERYBODY’S GOING TO LIKE.
I’D LIKE TO SAY LOVE BUT LIKE. >>COPYRIGHTING THE WORD MEAN.
YOUR THOUGHTS. >>CAN I TELL YOU, IT’S PURE
INSANITY, YOU KNOW. WHO REALLY KNOWS WHAT’S GOING TO
HAPPEN. THINK ABOUT IT, THIS IS THE
PRESIDENT WHO LOOKED THE PUBLIC IN THE EYE AND HE SPECIFICALLY
SAID TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS, VOTE FOR ME, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO
LOSE? WELL, AREN’T WE FINDING OUT
PRETTY QUICKLY? AND I WON’T TALK ABOUT STATS
WITH THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT THEIR VOTES.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT LATINOS, 27% OF LATINOS IN THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA ARE IN THE MEDICAID PROGRAM.
WE NEED THAT PROGRAM. SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT STATES LIKE ARIZONA AND NEVADA DO, PARTICULARLY WHEN
THEY ARE COURTING THE LATINO VOTE BUT THEY’RE ALSO PUSHING
ALL OF THESE ANTI-IMMIGRANT SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS LAWS, YOU KNOW,
STATE AFTER STATE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I THINK IT WAS JENNIFER EARLIER THIS MORNING SAID THAT THE
REPUBLICANS WERE BEING INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPONENTS OF THE BILL, SHE’S
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO THEY’RE SAYING SHAME ON
PRESIDENT OBAMA, HE TOLD YOU WHAT HEALTH CARE THAT YOU HAD TO
HAVE AND HE SAID IT WAS
MANDATORY. UNDER THEIR PHILOSOPHY, WHAT
THEY’RE SAYING IS THE MEDICAID PROGRAM IS NOT EFFICIENT SO,
WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO IS THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE A CAP
RATE, STATES ARE FREE TO EITHER FILL THE GAP OR CUT OUT THE
EXPANSION PROGRAM COMPLETELY AND YOU HAVE TO FILL THE GAP.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE TO FILL THE GAP, ISN’T THAT MANDATORY
INSURANCE? IT’S THE SAME THING.
>>OR YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A SEPARATION, MICHAEL STEELE,
BETWEEN STATES IF THEY DO THIS, AND WE CRUMBLE THE STATES INTO
50 DIFFERENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS, THEN YOU’LL HAVE MEAN
STATES AND CRUEL STATES. IT WILL FURTHER HIGHLIGHT THE
FACT IF YOU LIVE IN A REPUBLICAN STATE YOU’RE IN KANSAS,
BASICALLY, EVERY STATE WILL HAVE THE MEANEST, CRUELEST, SMALLEST
BLOCK GRANT. YOU WANT TO BUILD THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY WHEN YOU WERE CHAIR. HOW DOES THIS GROW THE PARTY?
>>OH, IT DOESN’T. IT DOESN’T.
ONE OF THE LIFELINES I THINK THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE THE
STATES, THE GOVERNORS, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.
WE’VE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM, JOHN KASICH COMES TO MIND, WHO
EMBRACED THE EXPANSION. THEY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE
GOVERNING IS STING THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN WASHINGTON.
SO IT’LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS IF ANY OF
THESE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS GET UP AND SPEAK OUT ON THIS BILL.
THEY HAVE BEEN EERILY PSI LEAPT SO FAR ON THIS, AND I THINK THEY
NEED TO BE HEARD, SO THEY HAVE TO SAY DO YOU EMBRACE THIS
STRATEGY OF HEALTH CARE FOR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE.
>>LAST WORD TO KURT BARDELLA ON THIS.
IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE BREITBART WORLD HAS BEEN I THINK
FAIRLY QUIET. HAVEN’T CHECKED IT IN THE HAST
COUPLE DAYS. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO END UP
COMING DOWN ON THIS? >>I THINK THEY’LL CARRY THE
WATER FOR TRUMP AS THEY ALWAYS DO.
LIKE EVERYBODY, THEY’RE JUST WAITING TO SEE KIND OF WHERE
THIS REALLY FALLS, WILL THIS HAPPEN, WILL THE VOTE HAPPEN.
IF ANYTHING, BREITBART IS ADEMOCRAT AT SETTING UP WHO’S TO
GET CREDIT FOR IT OR WHO’S TO BLAME IF IT DOESN’T HAPPEN.
IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOESN’T HAPPEN, I THINK THEY’LL GO AFTER
LEADERSHIP AND BLAME THEM FOR NOT DELIVERING FOR PRESIDENT
TRUMP. >>THEY DON’T LIKE PAUL RYAN
ANYWAY. OR THEY’LL BLAME OBAMA, BECAUSE
THAT’S THE GO-TO. WE’LL HAVE YOU ALL BACK ANOTHER
TIME. >>>COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR,
WE INTRODUCE PAUL RYAN TO A CONSTITUENT WHO COULD GIVE HIM A
RUN FOR HIS MONEY IN 2

10 comments

  1. I don't think making the Wealthy, Wealthier is the way to healthcare for all Americans, how does trump making his friends rich work out to better healthcare, killing off the poor is all this does.

  2. So what has really happened is a "Caste System" has formed against Blacks, Sick, Poor, Disabled, and Elderly in legislative proposals in the United States of America.

    Definition of caste
    1
    :  one of the hereditary social classes in Hinduism that restrict the occupation of their members and their association with the members of other castes
    2
    a :  a division of society based on differences of wealth, inherited rank or privilege, profession, occupation, or race
    b :  the position conferred by caste standing :  prestige
    art and religion have lost caste — F. L. Baumer
    3
    :  a system of rigid social stratification characterized by hereditary status, endogamy, and social barriers sanctioned by custom, law, or religion
    4
    :  a specialized form (such as the worker of an ant or bee) of a polymorphic social insect that carries out a particular function in the colony soldier castes for fighting enemy ants

  3. Dean Heller is the most vulnerable Republican, most likely he's been given permission to vote NO because every other Republican is on board after their bribes. Don't be misled. This is another dog and pony show. Most blatant case of bribery and blood money in US history.

  4. Want to solve the problems in America? get rid of influnces like the Koch brothers, these groups have way to much influence over what the actual what senators believe or their constituents believe in.   Rand Paul is a perfect example of a Koch lacky.

  5. The Koch Brothers let the GOP know that if this bill doesn't pass, they're cutting funding of superpac. This was just this past weekend. How is avg American supposed to fight for rights when 1% are paying millions of dollars to keep politics on money gravy train. How do we get money out of politics? BTW, love Tulsi Gabbard standing against putting artillary in our enemies. Get money out of politics, get us out of 20 year war, TAKE CARE of Americans.

  6. You know…I have in the back of my mind something that the Tea Party was about saying and that is, "Too much Government.". Are we witnessing the dismantling of the US Government with this administration?

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